I am officially done with Hero League

[RH92]

I'm hardly qualified to comment on high level Master League play, but I assume Illidan is banned for the same reason he is at low ranks - because he combos very well with certain supports.

Illidan is banned because he punishes hard every team fight loss.

He also brings an insane map control in being able to take camps quickly and without taking damage.

[Sir Andy]

Illidan is also banned because people don't like playing against him or don't want to build a team around him.

As opposed to something like Tracer who is just unfun to play against.

[Nerraw]

I have to wonder how the hell these people even got so high rank in the first place.

Placement matches paired with the lack of reset when they were implemented. All you need is one good winstreak early on and you're set for 15+.

[Deleted]

Hero League is possibly the most frustrating thing in my entire gaming career. I can handle frustration from my own failures, but I feel powerless playing Hero League some times. I had a game yesterday where a Kerrigan was AFK for the first 5 minutes of the game (not that big of a deal, we weren't that far behind) then he comes back and 2 of the guys start yelling at him despite the fact that it really didn't matter and we weren't even behind, so he gets pissed and just starts laning the entire game and not participating in the team fights at all. So of course, we end up losing.

Then, I play a game where the dude chooses abathur, which is fine, but he chooses evolve monstrosity and we end up losing because we can't team fight at all. And then I have a game like the one I just got out of where we are on Dragon Shire and my teammates have the most idiotic rotations I've ever seen, like backing because you're oom instead of waiting 5 seconds for me to relieve you resulting in them taking the shrine you were at and getting the dragon knight basically for free.

The last one isn't that bad. I am rank 28 after all so I can't expect pro level play out of everyone I play with, but because I am such a low rank I feel like every game is just a coin toss on whether I am going to win or not. 1 bad player can totally fuck your team up, but I feel like on good player can't really carry you to victory. I am consistently top hero damage when I play assassin, but I feel like it doesn't matter. Maybe I just need to play more impactful heroes like ETC so that my team has no choice but to win.

It's crazy because I feel like the games where our team was just straight up outplayed are the minority which sucks, because I am completely fine with those games. They outplayed us and thus they earned the win, but when we have someone on our team acting like a complete idiot, then the enemy team did earn that win, it was given to them basically.

The only way I can consistently win is if I duo que with my rank 13 friend because I can still do top hero damage even at that higher rank and our partners much less commonly choose stupid heroes/builds. I've been trying to get to rank 20 at least for the elemental wolf but I think I might have to call it quits and just wait for Season 1 in the hopes that either it gets better, or I place higher at the start so I don't have to deal with the lesser skilled players.

Also, since I know it is probably going to be posted, no I don't think I am the best player in the world. I just feel like I'm placed in a rank that is inappropriate for me and it is extremely hard for me to rank up due to things out of my control. If I was being honest I know I'm not a rank 1 player. I think around rank 10-15 would be reasonable.

I play HotS very rarely nowadays because I get absolutely mindbogglingly absurd games.
I'm rank 9 and I get even worse games than those you've used as examples. I cannot put to words how angry I get and how frustrating it feels to have things completely out of your control, ruin so many games.

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Placement matches paired with the lack of reset when they were implemented. All you need is one good winstreak early on and you're set for 15+.

I lost almost all my placement matches and I was put at 15.

[Deleted]

They just need to make sure those that feed or afk on purpose lose more points on loss, get banned from hero league for a week and even cut their QM xp and gold gains in half. As soon as they implement that, the amount of trolls that would be banned would be so high and quality should go up.

[Nerraw]

I lost almost all my placement matches and I was put at 15.

How much did you play before placement matches were implemented?

[Deleted]

How much did you play before placement matches were implemented?

Play the game in general? Quite a bit.

[Sheevah]

They just need to make sure those that feed or afk on purpose lose more points on loss, get banned from hero league for a week and even cut their QM xp and gold gains in half. As soon as they implement that, the amount of trolls that would be banned would be so high and quality should go up.

The problem is that it isn't easy to distinguish those are intentionally playing poorly vs. those that are just bad or having an off game.

AFK'ing is a bit of a different story, though.

[Nerraw]

Play the game in general? Quite a bit.

That's exactly it then. Your MMR was locked in at that point, making placement matches irrelevant in the best case, and a detriment in the worst case. I went 13-7 in my placement matches, and I got dropped from rank 20 to 35 for my trouble...

[pateuvasiliu]

If it's any consolation I'm rank 5-10 and the players are still retarded.

[Deleted]

It still baffles me that there are people who can't get to rank one in heroes. I guess by comparison to the struggles you guys have my issues with matchmaking can be considered first world problems.

If it's any consolation I'm rank 5-10 and the players are still retarded.

I think the word 'retarded' is completely relative in moba games. For me for instance, 3.5k+ mmr players constantly make 'retarded' decisions. I do too from time to time. Anyone that isn't on your personal level of playing makes 'retarded' decisions.

[Poppincaps]

It still baffles me that there are people who can't get to rank one in heroes. I guess by comparison to the struggles you guys have my issues with matchmaking can be considered first world problems.



I think the word 'retarded' is completely relative in moba games. For me for instance, 3.5k+ mmr players constantly make 'retarded' decisions. I do too from time to time. Anyone that isn't on your personal level of playing makes 'retarded' decisions.

I could get to a much higher rank, it's just that it would take a long ass time for reasons that are outside of my control. Hence my frustration. It was the main reason I just stuck to Quick Match because at least I didn't lose anything if people decided to act like idiots. But now that they are giving away mounts for higher ranks, I feel the need to get to rank 20 at least.

[Nerraw]

If it's any consolation I'm rank 5-10 and the players are still retarded.

There's absolutely no difference between rank 5 and rank 15 currently. It's ridiculous.

[Dizzeeyooo]

There's absolutely no difference between rank 5 and rank 15 currently. It's ridiculous.

and yet, some people get stuck at rank 5 and some people get stuck at rank 15 - obviously the difference could be completely random luck in every single instance, but I doubt it somehow

I think the word 'retarded' is completely relative in moba games. For me for instance, 3.5k+ mmr players constantly make 'retarded' decisions. I do too from time to time. Anyone that isn't on your personal level of playing makes 'retarded' decisions.

sad but true

[Nerraw]

and yet, some people get stuck at rank 5 and some people get stuck at rank 15 - obviously the difference could be completely random luck in every single instance, but I doubt it somehow

As in, the current average skill level between a rank 15 and a rank 5 is miniscule. You literally cannot tell the difference, other than checking their portrait on the loading screen. That's supposed to be the difference between the top 30% in the region and the top 10% in the region. And it's not. I literally just had a guy pick Murky for a tank.

[Dizzeeyooo]

As in, the current average skill level between a rank 15 and a rank 5 is miniscule. You literally cannot tell the difference, other than checking their portrait on the loading screen. That's supposed to be the difference between the top 30% in the region and the top 10% in the region. And it's not.

except it is, the difference between top 30% and top 10% is just far far far far smaller then you actually think it is

I literally just had a guy pick Murky for a tank.

because absolutely the only explanation for this is that he was too stupid to know that his team needed a tank
not that he was trolling
not that he queued with the intention of playing murky no matter what
not that he had a specialist quest and wanted to murky
not that he had a warcraft hero quest and wanted to murky
not that he got triggered during the draft and decided he wanted to fuck you all

[Muis]

because absolutely the only explanation for this is that he was too stupid to know that his team needed a tank
not that he was trolling
not that he queued with the intention of playing murky no matter what
not that he had a specialist quest and wanted to murky
not that he had a warcraft hero quest and wanted to murky
not that he got triggered during the draft and decided he wanted to fuck you all

Ranks are useless/'meaningless in this game. Trolls like that Murky show that me going from R9 to R10 means I just got 2% worse at the game no?

[Nerraw]

except it is, the difference between top 30% and top 10% is just far far far far smaller then you actually think it is

Top 1%-100% should cover, unsurprisingly, 100% of the playerbase. And considering the really, REALLY horrible players out there, and the really, REALLY good ones, the skill gap between top and bottom should insanely huge. The difference between top 10% and top 30% should be large enough to be felt quite a bit. It's not.

because absolutely the only explanation for this is that he was too stupid to know that his team needed a tank
not that he was trolling
not that he queued with the intention of playing murky no matter what
not that he had a specialist quest and wanted to murky
not that he had a warcraft hero quest and wanted to murky
not that he got triggered during the draft and decided he wanted to fuck you all

That's my point. These kinds of players do not belong at rank 9 or whatever he was at. He got there thanks to placement matches under the current system. Players with those tendencies would never get above rank 25 before placement matches. It is fucked up to no end. People are way too fucking low, and people are way too fucking high. All at the same time. There is no meaningful difference between the ranks until you get above 3 or below 20. None whatsoever.

[Dizzeeyooo]

Ranks are useless/'meaningless in this game. Trolls like that Murky show that me going from R9 to R10 means I just got 2% worse at the game no?

trolls like that murky show you that real people occasionally decide to troll others for whatever reason - that has literally nothing to do with someones rank in hots lol

That's my point. These kinds of players do not belong at rank 9 or whatever he was at. He got there thanks to placement matches under the current system. Players with those tendencies would never get above rank 25 before placement matches. It is fucked up to no end. People are way too fucking low, and people are way too fucking high. All at the same time. There is no meaningful difference between the ranks until you get above 3 or below 20. None whatsoever.

people that troll in a game do not deserve to be at X rank? what does them trolling in one particular game have to do with their rank? what rank has the criteria that all 10 people will absolutely play to the best of their ability every single game?

Top 1%-100% should cover, unsurprisingly, 100% of the playerbase. And considering the really, REALLY horrible players out there, and the really, REALLY good ones, the skill gap between top and bottom should insanely huge. The difference between top 10% and top 30% should be large enough to be felt quite a bit. It's not.

can only repeat what i've said already - ability is not spread evenly throughout the entire spectrum of the playerbase - pretty much the opposite is true

[Amerrol]

Top 1%-100% should cover, unsurprisingly, 100% of the playerbase. And considering the really, REALLY horrible players out there, and the really, REALLY good ones, the skill gap between top and bottom should insanely huge. The difference between top 10% and top 30% should be large enough to be felt quite a bit. It's not.



That's my point. These kinds of players do not belong at rank 9 or whatever he was at. He got there thanks to placement matches under the current system. Players with those tendencies would never get above rank 25 before placement matches. It is fucked up to no end. People are way too fucking low, and people are way too fucking high. All at the same time. There is no meaningful difference between the ranks until you get above 3 or below 20. None whatsoever.

Don't worry. It doesn't get any better at rank 1. Games are still decided by which team just happened to not get the window licker who lucked his way into a decent MMR.