Bernie to debate Trump rumor

[Independent voter]

So Trump was on Jimmy Kimmel and he said he would debate Bernie if all proceeds would go to charity.

Bernie tweeted back that the would do it if before the June 7th primary.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-te...s-for-charity/



Before hitting a private fundraiser in Los Angeles, Donald Trump taped a guest appearance on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live," where he fielded questions from the late-night host on a range of topics -- including transgender bathrooms, and whether he'd debate Bernie Sanders.

Kimmel asked Trump if he'd be willing to debate Sanders, given that Hillary Clinton had turned her primary opponent down for a California debate. Trump declared he would -- as long as the proceeds go to charity.

As he accepted the hypothetical debate, Trump asked, perhaps jokingly, how much Sanders would be willing to pay him -- for charity -- then conceded that it would be fine if a network were willing to put up the money. Trump also said he has never met Sanders.

Multiple sources told CBS News Thursday morning, however, that the presumptive nominee was just kidding about debating Sanders -- it will never happen, they said.

Multiple sources tell @CBSNews that Trump was kidding about debating Sanders & it will never happen.

Sanders took to Twitter right away with his response:

There was no immediate reaction from the Clinton campaign.

In addition to debate talk, Kimmel persisted in trying to get Trump to disclose his personal opinion about what the policy should be on transgender bathrooms. When North Carolina passed a law requiring people to use bathrooms corresponding to the gender assignments they were born with, Trump seemed to of the opinion that North Carolina should have just left well enough alone, noting that the move could hurt businesses in the state.

[Lenonis]

That's kind of a weird set of events.

Stupid for Trump -- he could potentially have a lot to lose and regardless of whether or not Bernie looks good or bad, it's not likely to affect Hillary much.

Trump also needs to realize that Bernie is never going to run 3rd party. Bernie has already made statements that after the convention he's going to put all his support behind Hillary. He got what he wanted -- a seat at the table to draft the party platform. The Democratic civil war is almost over.

[Independent voter]

That's kind of a weird set of events.

Stupid for Trump -- he could potentially have a lot to lose and regardless of whether or not Bernie looks good or bad, it's not likely to affect Hillary much.

Trump also needs to realize that Bernie is never going to run 3rd party. Bernie has already made statements that after the convention he's going to put all his support behind Hillary. He got what he wanted -- a seat at the table to draft the party platform. The Democratic civil war is almost over.

Trump stories lead the top of the news today. If the debate comes to fruition, Hillary won't appear in the news for a whole week or more. What is said at the debate doesn't matter, Trump says random crap all the time.

[Lenonis]

Trump stories lead the top of the news today. If the debate comes to fruition, Hillary won't appear in the news for a whole week or more. What is said at the debate doesn't matter, Trump says random crap all the time.

Frankly Hillary not being in the news is probably a benefit for her given the focus on the email stuff these days.

I really don't see what Trump has to gain. And people other than just the GOP base are paying attention now that he's the nominee, so there is definitely some room here for him to say something that becomes a sound byte that costs him voters.

[Deleted]

Trump does have one thing to gain: Bernie's supporters

Most of them are basically socialist loons but maybe Trump's team (it's not Trump who decides these things, it's a campaign team) has worked out that with enough rapprochement during a debate Trump might be able to sway some of the disaffected-with-the-system Bernie supporters to himself

Hillary is pure establishment, the face of "The System": there might be some mileage in the idea that anyone who wants to vote against the system might end up choosing Trump over her

It's an interesting calculation, especially if you believe (or his team believes) he can't win without doing something like this, in which case he has nothing to lose

[Bollocks]

So Trump was on Jimmy Kimmel and he said he would debate Bernie if all proceeds would go to charity.

Bernie tweeted back that the would do it if before the June 7th primary.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-te...s-for-charity/



Before hitting a private fundraiser in Los Angeles, Donald Trump taped a guest appearance on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live," where he fielded questions from the late-night host on a range of topics -- including transgender bathrooms, and whether he'd debate Bernie Sanders.

Kimmel asked Trump if he'd be willing to debate Sanders, given that Hillary Clinton had turned her primary opponent down for a California debate. Trump declared he would -- as long as the proceeds go to charity.

As he accepted the hypothetical debate, Trump asked, perhaps jokingly, how much Sanders would be willing to pay him -- for charity -- then conceded that it would be fine if a network were willing to put up the money. Trump also said he has never met Sanders.

Multiple sources told CBS News Thursday morning, however, that the presumptive nominee was just kidding about debating Sanders -- it will never happen, they said.

Multiple sources tell @CBSNews that Trump was kidding about debating Sanders & it will never happen.

Sanders took to Twitter right away with his response:

There was no immediate reaction from the Clinton campaign.

In addition to debate talk, Kimmel persisted in trying to get Trump to disclose his personal opinion about what the policy should be on transgender bathrooms. When North Carolina passed a law requiring people to use bathrooms corresponding to the gender assignments they were born with, Trump seemed to of the opinion that North Carolina should have just left well enough alone, noting that the move could hurt businesses in the state.

Trump already backed down

[akris15]

Trump does have one thing to gain: Bernie's supporters

Most of them are basically socialist loons but maybe Trump's team (it's not Trump who decides these things, it's a campaign team) has worked out that with enough rapprochement during a debate Trump might be able to sway some of the disaffected-with-the-system Bernie supporters to himself

Hillary is pure establishment, the face of "The System": there might be some mileage in the idea that anyone who wants to vote against the system might end up choosing Trump over her

It's an interesting calculation, especially if you believe (or his team believes) he can't win without doing something like this, in which case he has nothing to lose

Personally I think people are over playing the Bernie or bust, burn down the entire system comments you are hearing from Reddit. We are seeing the exact same think that happened in the primaries in 2008 when half of Clinton supports said vote Clinton or we vote mccain. Just like never trump lasted a few days so will Bernie or bust. While those truly upset about this are more likely to vote 3rd party or sit home.

Most of bernies base is independents that already lean democrats than what people generally consider to be a true independent. In the end at best the effects will probably balance out between less conservative women republicans voting for Clinton and Bernie burn down the system voters for trump. The real story is how will Clinton reach out to those who will most likely sit out this election to the polls than trying to prevent people from switching sides.

[Lenonis]

Trump does have one thing to gain: Bernie's supporters

I really don't see how it would be even remotely possible for Trump to craft a message that would appeal to Bernie supports enough to win a large number of them over that won't completely alienate his base. Maybe Trump thinks he can, but Bernie supporters tend to carry ideals that are anathema to much of the standard GOP platform.

[Annoying]

I really don't see how it would be even remotely possible for Trump to craft a message that would appeal to Bernie supports enough to win a large number of them over that won't completely alienate his base. Maybe Trump thinks he can, but Bernie supporters tend to carry ideals that are anathema to much of the standard GOP platform.

Literally the only message he could craft for the majority of them would be "I'm not Hillary."

[Lenonis]

Literally the only message he could craft for the majority of them would be "I'm not Hillary."

Well, he could also play up the whole "the DNC robbed you of your voice, they are terrible people, vote for me." But at the end of the day that's asking them to vote for the RNC -- and unless the GOP playbook changes drastically after the convention there will be a whole lot of reason why they'd rather stay home than vote for Trump (which would still serve Trump well)

[Naxere]

I think they should do it, especially if it's for charity.

[akris15]

Well, he could also play up the whole "the DNC robbed you of your voice, they are terrible people, vote for me." But at the end of the day that's asking them to vote for the RNC -- and unless the GOP playbook changes drastically after the convention there will be a whole lot of reason why they'd rather stay home than vote for Trump (which would still serve Trump well)

At that point they will stay home or vote stein

[Independent voter]

I really don't see how it would be even remotely possible for Trump to craft a message that would appeal to Bernie supports enough to win a large number of them over that won't completely alienate his base. Maybe Trump thinks he can, but Bernie supporters tend to carry ideals that are anathema to much of the standard GOP platform.

Here's something I've heard: Bernie supporters were tired of the same old Democrats, looking at Obama for example. They wanted a change and they saw the Bernie as an agent for change.

Secondly there is a group of Bernie supporters who hate Hillary so much they will vote for Trump so as to damage Hillary.

[Lenonis]

Here's something I've heard: Bernie supporters were tired of the same old Democrats, looking at Obama for example. They wanted a change and they saw the Bernie as an agent for change.

Absolutely true, but not a reason to vote for Trump.

Secondly there is a group of Bernie supporters who hate Hillary so much they will vote for Trump so as to damage Hillary.

Sure. Just like there are Republicans who will vote for Hillary to damage Trump. I'm assuming at this point those two groups are likely to cancel each other out.

Just as a point of reference...when you compare now to 2008 there are more Bernie supporters now who say they will vote for Hillary than there were Hillary supports in 2008 that said they would vote for Obama.

This primary has been contentious, but I think people forget how nasty the 2008 primary got.

[akris15]

Here's something I've heard: Bernie supporters were tired of the same old Democrats, looking at Obama for example. They wanted a change and they saw the Bernie as an agent for change.

Secondly there is a group of Bernie supporters who hate Hillary so much they will vote for Trump so as to damage Hillary.

We heard this exact same argument from Clinton supporters in 2008 and it didn't happen. We heard this from republicans this year and it didn't happen. This is simply sore loser in play.

[Lenonis]

Sources for these statements?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b03a9e75d3fd93

There are a billion of these types of statements. The "Bernie or Bust" narrative is by some of his supporters, not him.

There's also apparently some people that have said that Bernie said in private he'll support Hillary after the convention and to not worry, but I'm having a hard time finding a source for those comments.

[Lenonis]

Sounds like he will endorse her only if she supports some of his policy reform ideas (which she doesn't).

http://time.com/4307384/bernie-sande...2016-election/

Naw -- he got 5 out of 15 seats at the table to craft the DNC platform. He'll get his voice, which is what he wants. He'll then endorse and fully support Clinton. This is just how the game is played. He's negotiating to try to push his policy ideas forward, which is working quite well for him.

I mean think about it. Think about the types of policy stances he holds. Do you really, really,think he'd risk handing the reigns of power over to the GOP? To Trump especially?

[TZucchini]

It would be fantastic to watch, but I'd be surprised if Trump actually did it. He would have a lot to lose, while Bernie only has a lot to gain.

[Deleted]

Naw -- he got 5 out of 15 seats at the table to craft the DNC platform. He'll get his voice, which is what he wants. He'll then endorse and fully support Clinton.

Sure. That just doesn't mean shit to his supporters, though. Bernie supporters support his platform, his policy and his ideals. They don't support him as a person, unlike Hillary cultists, who belong to a cult of personality, where they simply support Queen Hillary regardless of what kind of a person she is, or what she'll do in office.

So yeah, you might see Bernie make a statement in a rally or in a speech, saying everyone "should" vote for Hillary. That doesn't mean they will, though.

[Lenonis]

Sure. That just doesn't mean shit to his supporters, though. Bernie supporters support his platform, his policy and his ideals. They don't support him as a person, unlike Hillary cultists, who belong to a cult of personality, where they simply support Queen Hillary regardless of what kind of a person she is, or what she'll do in office.

Ohhhh, I don't know about that. I think there is definitely an element of cult of personality around Bernie.

So yeah, you might see Bernie make a statement in a rally or in a speech, saying everyone "should" vote for Hillary. That doesn't mean they will, though.

He's going to campaign for her -- that's more than just an offhand comment in a speech. Will it sway everyone? Of course not. But when Bernie tells his supporters that voting for Hillary is the best way to get his ideals moving forward, a large number will listen. It's not hard to paint Trump as the opposite of what Bernie stands for.