The Stormrage twins ...for the first time?

[FelPlague]

@Midelan

yes illidan is a "chaotic good" (cant remember where its from)

everything he has done has been to defeat the legion, weither it looks good or evil, enslavement or ruining part of outland, even to "joining" the legion, all to learn how it works, see its weaknesses and find a way through them,even to stab them in the back like the war of the ancients, and as we learn in ilidan, he was so close... so so close so kaelthas framed him, so we would take him out, saving the legion from him pulling a pull out attack

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I remember it wrong. The sunwell was used to resurrect Kel'thuzad who summoned Archimonde later. People are not ignoring the sources of information. WotA trilogy and the chronicle are there for you to see.

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Or the chronicle. Which is to etablish canon.

yes... but that was oh idk... 10 thousand years later? so im pretty sure that could be unforseen for anyone, and that was again the sunwell, not illidans doing

where does the chronical say illidan was purly evil and did everything just to become super powerful?

[Arrowstormen]

@FelPlague More like chaotic neutral, everything he has done has been for his own benefit, either power or love interest.

[FelPlague]

@FelPlague More like chaotic neutral, everything he has done has been for his own benefit, either power or love interest.

mmmm..... not really, again you read into what we were talking about...

Joining the legion in WotA to destroy the portal
Skull of guldan to kill the dreadlord in felwood
Attacking arthas to stop him from wiping out life on azeroth
helped malfurion save tyrande, even though he knew he had no chance with her at that point
fled to outland and did everything there to build a army, and a massive well of eternity to power a portal big enough for his armies to attack argus

and of corse there is a specific thing in illidan and legion beta that 100% confirms he is good, that people refuse to accept (me even.. i think showing he was good for those who dont beleive would be nice.. .but this is abit overboard....) but i wont spoil that midelan up above does though

[ravenmoon]

You're talking as if

Good people can't do terrible things
Villains can't be redeemed or turn a new leaf
Heroes can't fall then rise up again

What happens when a person sees the errors of his ways or makes amends for his mistakes?
What happens when a person turns a direction ?

I think some of you judge Illidan because he is not the perfect hero, he has done some messed up things, doesn't mean his heart wasn't in the right place.. After reading Illidan you should understand some of the "challenges" he has gone through and given the circumstance, how he has come through.

We were right to stop Illidan when his activities went overboard, even good people with good intentions can be froced to do monstrous things and in such times require good friends or people to reign them in - some recover and come to their senses, some don't proving they were never good to begin with.

Illidan seems quite unique, we may have gotten redemption stories for races but I think he may be the first hero to have come back.

- anyway, nice try blaming the naga's actions on Illidan, we know when it comes down to it, most people will not see Illidan as the one forcing the naga to enslave the broken they did, I thought Illidan had gone a bit cookoo in that period and his lieutenants were just having a field day, the naga are not nice people at all - but neither are the legion, but illidan works with both to achieve the end of destroying the legion right.. it's not so black and white with this guy.


HE is your classic case of the good guy doing the wrong thing. Arthas is classic case of the good guy that went all bad. You never get the sense that Illidan is all bad, I never got that feeling in TBC - he seemed a bit insane. but after reading Illidan, I understand it a lot better.

[Wildmoon]

yes... but that was oh idk... 10 thousand years later? so im pretty sure that could be unforseen for anyone, and that was again the sunwell, not illidans doing

where does the chronical say illidan was purly evil and did everything just to become super powerful?

"Illidan's mounting discontent ultimately led him to break from the night elf resistance. He set out to join the Legion, hoping to gain power uninmaginable to any night elf. Once he did so, Illidan believed he would finally transcend Malfurion and prove to the world that he was capable of greatness."

page 102.

Illidan was a dick.

[Aquamonkey]

so... ever heard of a book called illidan? or a game called world of warcraft? yeah i reccomend getting the game, going to a zone called felwood, and questing there... then when you reach level 85, do a heroic dungeon called well of eternity....
also yes alot of the SUPER old books have been retconned...

WotA trilogy is full of retcons and is out of print. There are several versions now out there of why Illidan did what he did. Blizzard really needs to clear it up.

yes because its made to make people who havent read the lore think hes evil

its suppose to act as a rumor, like what malfurion would say, not what WE know
that wall of text is very ingame, where what we know is meta, we know what illidans thoughts were, and why he did X and Y but the Ingame characters dont... and thats what that wall of text is giving off, that its what a person in a INN would tell a story about.

Chronicle plainly states Illidan was doing it for power to surpass his brother and that he later claimed to be doing it for the greater good the entire time. Illidan attacked and nearly killed the NElves who discovered him at the new Well of Eternity because he thought they would steal his power.

like weve learnt in WoTLK and in Legion that nerzhul tricked arthas, he was never truly "killed" he allways was in arthas's mind slowly and hiddenly corrupting his thoughts, before fully taking over

Ner'zhul is gone. Arthas destroyed his spirit. Those things that show up in Legion are echoes, not their true spirits.

You mean the Forsaken? HER people?

No. The Horde gave that batch of plague to the Forsaken.

"You have no doubt heard about the incident that transpired at the Wrath Gate in Northrend, yes? Due to those unfortunate events we are strictly forbidden from using the strain of life-shattering blight that we finally perfected. Now we have rules and regulations and other nonsense!

They've given us some neutered version of the perfected blight and expect us to weaponize it.

If I'm to get this crap functional I'll need several bags full of ferocious doomweed. You'll find it all over Silverpine."

[FelPlague]

"Illidan's mounting discontent ultimately led him to break from the night elf resistance. He set out to join the Legion, hoping to gain power uninmaginable to any night elf. Once he did so, Illidan believed he would finally transcend Malfurion and prove to the world that he was capable of greatness."

page 102.

Illidan was a dick.

yet you ignore the rest of the book, the well of eternity dungeon, or illidan novel.... and warcraft 3 :3 good job on nit picking small parts

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@Aquamonkey

so explain the "i was once a shaman" line and "this measly puppet" and ner'zhuls spirit torturing arthas's?

and have a qoute for the illidan part? cause i dont remember that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdE3xt4R5I

[Kallisto]

Or you could have both. I didn't see how Malfurion need to enslave any innocent to repel the legion twice.

He only repelled not defeated. Illidan's plans as shown in the novel would have permanently killed Kil'Jaeden. Likely Archimonde too and what ever else was on Argus. Leaving a huge blow to the legion, their leadership all but gone and the demons without a command fighting among themselves since Sargeras is still MIA

[Wildmoon]

yet you ignore the rest of the book, the well of eternity dungeon, or illidan novel.... and warcraft 3 :3 good job on nit picking small parts

The Chronicle is there to establish canon.

[ravenmoon]

And yet the Illidan novel spells it out that he clearly sided with them to learn from them and defeat them.

yeh, current developments, kind outdate that blizzard quote. yet it's true but somehow misses the mark, it doesn't hit the nail on the head with Illidan if you actually read the WotA, play WC3, TBC and read Illidan

[FelPlague]

The Chronicle is there to establish canon.

and yet you ignore how it is not fully indepth, yes illidan wanted power, he wanted to show his power... but he did it for a reason, he did it all to defeat the legion, show he was a force, and to defend his people but check out the video i linked above, and you will see...

also the chronical is not 100% accurate, as you can see in the art...

it shows sargeras both of covered in tons of red fire, and huge enough to split a planet in two, then later shows him small enough to walk with his demons, leading them, and covered in green fire... yet it allways speaks of him having green felflame body

[Wildmoon]

He only repelled not defeated. Illidan's plans as shown in the novel would have permanently killed Kil'Jaeden. Likely Archimonde too and what ever else was on Argus. Leaving a huge blow to the legion, their leadership all but gone and the demons without a command fighting among themselves since Sargeras is still MIA

There's no rule that you can still be a decent person while defeating repelling the legion while you can't if you wanna defeat them. Khadgar,Malfurion,etc are doing their best to fight the legion. They don't have to be a terrible person in the process.

[Arrowstormen]

Illidan is definitely a guy who fought for the right side using the wrong methods and for the wrong reasons.

[Wildmoon]

and yet you ignore how it is not fully indepth, yes illidan wanted power, he wanted to show his power... but he did it for a reason, he did it all to defeat the legion, show he was a force, and to defend his people but check out the video i linked above, and you will see...

It is stated for in the book that his main reason is to surpass his brother to gain recognition. He was a dick.

[FelPlague]

There's no rule that you can still be a decent person while defeating repelling the legion while you can't if you wanna defeat them. Khadgar,Malfurion,etc are doing their best to fight the legion. They don't have to be a terrible person in the process.

yes but they are not doing very good jobs are they?

[Wildmoon]

Illidan is definitely a guy who fought for the right side using the wrong methods and for the wrong reasons.

This is more accurate. He is not completely bad but some people are trying to hail him as the most selfless hero and the symbol of all that is good. lol

[Arrowstormen]

yes but they are not doing very good jobs are they?

Better jobs than Illidan did for a good while.

[FelPlague]

Illidan is definitely a guy who fought for the right side using the wrong methods and for the wrong reasons.

that is exactly illidan... he knew what to do, when to do it, and how to do it... but the ways he chose were not allways the best or nicest....

[Wildmoon]

yes but they are not doing very good jobs are they?

Considering Malfurion has repelled the Legion twice, he has done well enough.

[FelPlague]

This is more accurate. He is not completely bad but some people are trying to hail him as the most selfless hero and the symbol of all that is good. lol

who said he was selfless or symbol of all that is good (oh wait the illidan novel :P)

no he did some pretty fucked up shit, but all of it was towards the greater good. done to get more andm ore power... later used to work towards the legion, to slaughter kil'jaden, then archimonde, and finally... sargeras...

please here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORdE3xt4R5I

check this out then return

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Considering Malfurion has repelled the Legion twice, he has done well enough.

yet ilidan helped with both