I am a left-wing ex*trem*ist

[Vyxn]

I guess it's easy to argue against tax raises when you present a really weak reason for tax raises that isn't actually why the left wants to raise taxes.

Let me put it in away you might even understand. the more you tax something the less of it you will have
you keep raising taxes on success the less success you will have
same reason why they have added taxes on cigarettes so to try to have less smoke reason why many propose having an added tax on soda to get more to stop drinking so much soda

[Unholyground]

Honestly the answer isn't in taxing the greedy, it is making expensive shit cheaper through technological advancements. Make electricity free, make water free and make housing cheap. The only way to empower the poor is by making thing things they cannot afford worthless.

[Vyxn]

I'm sure the super rich never try to fuck over the poor, we should just go back to how they did it in the industrial era!


No poor person. worker class or middle class person benefits from a rigth-wing economic system.

are you serious? the two largest economic booms last century was the result of right wing economics in the middle sixties thanks to JFK tax reductions and the eighties thanks to Reagan's tax reductions both had economic GDP growth averaging over 4% with peaks as great as 6%
we tried it your way under Obama where his average GDP growth is below 2%

[Garnier Fructis]

Let me put it in away you might even understand. the more you tax something the less of it you will have
you keep raising taxes on success the less success you will have
same reason why they have added taxes on cigarettes so to try to have less smoke reason why many propose having an added tax on soda to get more to stop drinking so much soda

Saying it's a tax on success is some disingenuous bullshit that implies hardwork/success is why they're being taxed. They're being taxed because money is needed to make society function, and a trove of money that they don't spend sitting in accounts 'collecting dust' is a detriment to society and the economy.

Taxing the rich less means taxes have to go up for everyone else to pay for shit, i.e. we'll need a lot of regressive taxes to make up for it. The rich can still afford pretty much everything they want under progressive taxes. Under regressive taxes, they can still afford everything they want but the rest can't afford things they need.

[Vyxn]

Saying it's a tax on success is some disingenuous bullshit that implies hardwork/success is why they're being taxed. They're being taxed because money is needed to make society function, and a trove of money that they don't spend sitting in accounts 'collecting dust' is a detriment to society and the economy.

Taxing the rich less means taxes have to go up for everyone else to pay for shit, i.e. we'll need a lot of regressive taxes to make up for it. The rich can still afford pretty much everything they want under progressive taxes. Under regressive taxes, they can still afford everything they want but the rest can't afford things they need.

sitting in accounts collecting dust? boy haven't you just shown your utter ignorance on how banks work. I bet you think when you make a deposit your name gets written on that stack of money it gets locked up in the safe collecting dust waiting for you to make a withdraw.
is this what you have been taught in school? no wonder why our education system is such a massive failure if this is what you have learned
that money the rich put in banks or make investments gives the bank or financial institution the capital to use to make loans so others can use those loans to buy cars to buy houses to open up businesses

[Garnier Fructis]

sitting in accounts collecting dust? boy haven't you just shown your utter ignorance on how banks work. I bet you think when you make a deposit your name gets written on it and locked up in the safe waiting fro you to make a withdraw
that money the rich put in banks or make investments gives the bank or financial institution the capital to use to make loans so others can use those loans to buy cars to buy houses to open up businesses

Which is something that will happen regardless of who's holding the money as long as it's held in this country. It's still collecting dust if it's not being spent.

Plus you probably missed the part where a ton of money is stored offshore. So it's not even being loaned out and it's even more useless.

[Deleted]

There is no such thing as luck.

Dumbest thing i've ever read.

Let's blame children that get cancer on themselves. Screw those children, they totally had it coming with being born and all.
I'd make a comment about how I wish you were born genetically deficient, but considering what you just said, I think you might have.

[Unholyground]

Dumbest thing i've ever read.

Let's blame children that get cancer on themselves. Screw those children, they totally had it coming with being born and all.
I'd make a comment about how I wish you were born genetically deficient, but considering what you just said, I think you might have.

Luck doesn't exist though, it is just RNG as us WoW players know all too well, but at a more cosmic scale.

[Deleted]

Luck doesn't exist though, it is just RNG as us WoW players know all too well, but at a more cosmic scale.

In that sense, yes, everything is predefined. But with our current ability to affect our outcome in life, luck is to big a factor. Appereance, birth of place, parrents, genetic advantages, they all stack up. Either of us could have been born with mental dissabilities, bound to a wheelchair and liquid food for the rest of our life.

[Sakred]

Someone has more money than others because he's more hardowrking/succesfull in life? HE SHOULD PAY MORE TAXES!
^ Typical Lefties arogant thinking

There are plenty of poor who are just as hard working. If not more. Just because you're rich doesn't mean you worked hard to do it. Look at Mark Zuckerberg. He didn't work hard to get to where he's at. He borrowed the right idea at the right time. And there's more old money out there than new. People that are rich because they were born to the right people. Doesn't make them hard working.

[Emjay18]

If they are not useless, why are they demanding that other people should pay for their needs?

THey are already doing so.

It is impossible to be self sufficient, btw.

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Dumbest thing i've ever read.

Let's blame children that get cancer on themselves. Screw those children, they totally had it coming with being born and all.
I'd make a comment about how I wish you were born genetically deficient, but considering what you just said, I think you might have.

Nothing is luck when your parents pay for college, it seems.

[Unholyground]

In that sense, yes, everything is predefined. But with our current ability to affect our outcome in life, luck is to big a factor. Appereance, birth of place, parrents, genetic advantages, they all stack up. Either of us could have been born with mental dissabilities, bound to a wheelchair and liquid food for the rest of our life.

Chaos prevails always, there is no order without it. everything is just a dice roll.

[finchna]

what is this nonsense?

many ideas that may or may not make any sense.

"roll out a universal basic income to deal with the inevitable decline in the proportion of humans “enjoying” full employment."

so, what do you do about people enjoying "full employment" at minimum wage -- would the universal basic income be equivalent to, less than, or more than "full employment" at minimum wage? what are the implications of that?

[THE Bigzoman]

"Self-Interest" doesn't have to mean "do whats good for me and fuck everyone else".

What does it mean then?

[Deleted]

Chaos prevails always, there is no order without it. everything is just a dice roll.

The precise point I've been trying to make. This is why I get really annoyed with people take credit for basically having everything served on a silver platter.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why does it matter if you're poor? No one owes you anything. If you're earning minimum wage or less, it means that there is either something wrong with you, that youre not motivated to earn more or you're doing something no one wants to pay you for.. say something anyone could do. How hard you work is irrelevant.

Wealth, if dont right is related to luck and success.. or smart work. If you're smart and can do things most others cant that are in high demand, you'll earn more. Its as simple as that.

This is why I cant stand the left. It's 100% entitlement based mentality where they think they deserve stuff and other people need to make it happen for them. Starting from giving them jobs, even though they cant do anything useful and ending with free stuff.

It's funny how people always craft responses like this on an individual basis. It's always carefully aimed at individuals, and skirts around the fact that we have a growing lower class and more and more of our population goes and stays on minimum wage, while those at the top earn an even greater portion of the wealth. It's an easy cop out to call people lazy, but it doesn't hold up when looking at overall trends. The top are gaming the system, and it's as simple as that.

[Hooked]

How did the arbitrary as hell percent of one come from anyway? They are just going to say the top 1%? What about mr. 1.1% who makes 250$ a year less than 1%? Why does he get off so easy!

There will always be a 1%, just like climate change. When the current top 1% are knocked down the next group of 1% will be knocked down, until everyone is equally poor and miserable.

[JohnBrown1917]

The super rich probably dont even care about the poor, they have better things to do.

They are in the minority, sorry.

As for workers benefiting from the rich, you really think the poor are worse off in the US than some socialist hellhole, then youre delusional. However this doesnt really matter. If everyone has the same opportunities and no one is above the law, whats the problem?

Most euro countries have a left-wing economic system, and a lot have a better quality of life.

[Deleted]

Most euro countries have a left-wing economic system, and a lot have a better quality of life.

Actually thats not true. All EU countries without natural resources with left wing policies are in trouble and some are living from old reserves with crumbling economies. How many times have they bailed out Greece again? Spain and Italy aren't far off either. The successful ones are economically center or even leaning right.

[CMartel]

Tax the crap out of the 1% [disclosure: I’m one],
.

When leftists say this they mean tax the crap out of the productive 1% so they can't compete against the 0.01% who fund leftist causes because they profit from redistribution of others wealth.