[GAME] Rate The Character /10! NOMINEE Day #42: Lor'themar Theron

[Sinraye]

7/10 cool character but needs more action in the spotlight.

Nominate Morgraine!

[Combatbutler]

He was negotiating with the Alliance to go turncoat prior to the events of 5.1. Because it was Jaina's decision to expel them from Dalaran that made him change his mind. So, prior to the rebellion, prior to the troll genocide, prior to the events of ToT Lor'themar was trying to change sides. So, was he trying to change sides because of Theramore? If this is the case, he'd be leaving the entirety of the Horde because Theramore's Fall was a joint collaboration between the Kor'kron AND one of his own, Thalen Songweaver. He didn't attempt to leave after the Horde was falling apart, he just attempted to leave it regardless.

He was not the only one playing with the notion though, Baine would have left, if not for his fathers insistence of shaping the horde, Vol'jin nearly left to join the zandalarai, Lor'themars negotiations with the alliance were nothing special.

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But hey, at least one of our leaders was a hitler reference, with all those dank holocaust memes (using proto-drake as a crematories reference was my favourite).

Blizz had references to pretty much everything at that point, hitler was just missing and orcs do fit the superior race, everyone else must die trope so well ;P

[Al Gorefiend]

He was not the only one playing with the notion though, Baine would have left, if not for his fathers insistence of shaping the horde, Vol'jin nearly left to join the zandalarai, Lor'themars negotiations with the alliance were nothing special.

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Blizz had references to pretty much everything at that point, hitler was just missing and orcs do fit the superior race, everyone else must die trope so well ;P

Baine and Vol'Jin considered it, but declined on their own volition. Vol'Jin would have been given a full ride as the first tribe in the Zandalari empire. All he had to do was check and sign, and he still refused out of loyalty to his friends and family. He's turning down the kingdom to work in the soup kitchen, very noble of him. Theron was trying to switch sides and had things gone his way he surely would have, outside interferences rendered it impossible for him.

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Everyone is a joke character.
*mic drop*

YOU ARE A JOKE CHARACTER.

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[Combatbutler]

Baine and Vol'Jin considered it, but declined on their own volition. Vol'Jin would have been given a full ride as the first tribe in the Zandalari empire. All he had to do was check and sign, and he still refused out of loyalty to his friends and family. He's turning down the kingdom to work in the soup kitchen, very noble of him. Theron was trying to switch sides and had things gone his way he surely would have, outside interferences rendered it impossible for him.

Call it what you will, Theron only considered that notion because garrosh's regime continued to push him, he tried to change Garrosh viewpoint on many occasions and at one point it was enough, Garrosh became the epitome of what Garithos had once been. Vol'jin on the other hand never gave him that chance working against him from day one, which is why Garrosh didn't tolerate trolls in his army and Baine hated him ever since his father died at his hands.

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@Crawclaw Akama already made it mate, if you want to nominate someone else!

[Al Gorefiend]

Call it what you will, Theron only considered that notion because garrosh's regime continued to push him, he tried to change Garrosh viewpoint on many occasions and at one point it was enough, Garrosh became the epitome of what Garithos had once been. Vol'jin on the other hand never gave him that chance working against him from day one, which is why Garrosh didn't tolerate trolls in his army and Baine hated him ever since his father died at his hands.

Just find it hard to trust a guy when he shows no commitment to the faction as a whole. Even Goblins of all things have shown dedication to the Horde's agenda. Blood Elves haven't shown much of that, outside of maybe the Reliquary having the interests of the entire Horde in mind. Really, it's going to take Lor'themar diving in front of an Orc to take an arrow in the chest to make me change my mind that he shows any consideration for the Kalimdorian Horde.

[TheMineKnight]

No idea why, but Lor'Themar has a special spot in my heart. 10/10

I nominate: GENERAL NAZGRIM!
The Badass, the greatness, the awesomeness that is General Nazgrim.

[Combatbutler]

Just find it hard to trust a guy when he shows no commitment to the faction as a whole. Even Goblins of all things have shown dedication to the Horde's agenda. Blood Elves haven't shown much of that, outside of maybe the Reliquary having the interests of the entire Horde in mind. Really, it's going to take Lor'themar diving in front of an Orc to take an arrow in the chest to make me change my mind that he shows any consideration for the Kalimdorian Horde.

He showed commitment to the faction up to the point when Garrosh sent a sha to silvermoon, that was the breaking point, before that he did everything the warchief asked of him, it became clear at this point that his people were nothing but canon fodder to the horde and acted accordingly, both Vol'jin and baine greatly mistrusted him prior.

They both followed out of obligation, not because of loyalty.

[Zulkhan]

Baine didn't rally the horde under his banner, until vol'jin appeared everyone was out for himself and his people, which is why the rebellion didn't form, pretty much every horde race distrusted and hated garrosh, but none of them were actually willing to do something on their own, which is precisely why Vol'jin scored, because he gathered everyone from the shadows.

Pretty much. Which is the whole reason why Vol'jin has been an essential figure, acknowledged by Sylvanas herself. She, along everyone else, knew that they weren't going to do jackshit without someone pulling the strings, which is the exact reason why, without proper organization, everyone was left on its own and could only come up with half-assed solutions to counter that little problem called Garrosh Hellscream.

Lor'themar's own way was pulling his people out of that mess and try to negotiate with the Alliance, which, to be fair, at that time was a solution good as any other. Garrosh's Horde had no future and joining the Alliance again was the lesser of two evils. And is not like Lor'themar came up with this because he's either a traitor or a genius, he simply led the only Horde race with sufficient history and relations with the Alliance to pull that card. Vol'jin pretty much considered to do the exact same shit at some point, just in regards of the Zandalari rather than the Alliance. Yes, he eventually reconsidered, but he had to go through a whole novel to reach the conclusion that fight to keep the Horde together was the best course of action.

Seriously, I don't think there's anything else to add on the matter.

[Combatbutler]

Pretty much. Which is the whole reason why Vol'jin has been an essential figure, acknowledged by Sylvanas herself. She, along everyone else, knew that they weren't going to do jackshit without someone pulling the strings, which is the exact reason why, without proper organization, everyone was left on its own and could only come up with half-assed solutions to counter that little problem called Garrosh Hellscream.

Lor'themar's own way was pulling his people out of that mess and try to negotiate with the Alliance, which, to be fair, at that time was a solution good as any other. Garrosh's Horde had no future and joining the Alliance again was the lesser of two evils. And is not like Lor'themar came up with this because he's either a traitor or a genius, he simply led the only Horde race with sufficient history and relations with the Alliance to pull that card. Vol'jin pretty much considered to do the exact same shit at some point, just in regards of the Zandalari rather than the Alliance. Yes, he eventually reconsidered, but he had to go through a whole novel to reach the conclusion that fight to keep the Horde together was the best course of action.

Seriously, I don't think there's anything else to add on the matter.

Garrosh screwed up so many things, in the novels it was mentioned Lor'thmemar genuinely believed he owed the horde a debt, garrosh burned that with his attitude in mop and managed to alienate the tauren and trolls as well, if it hadn't been for the mop shenanigans, trolls, orcs tauren and blood elves might have felt a real connection at some point, instead of being reluctant allies.

[Traveler Voltin]

YOU ARE A JOKE CHARACTER.

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And would you know. Mr expert
Lost your aspect powers shortly after gaining them.
Also jaina's boy toy

[Friendlyimmolation]

And would you know. Mr expert
Lost your aspect powers shortly after gaining them.
Also jaina's boy toy

He's probably chained to the bed, screaming for god, screaming for freedom...

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And would you know. Mr expert
Lost your aspect powers shortly after gaining them.
Also jaina's boy toy

SHE KIDNAPPED ME, MEHN!

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On a different note, someone go right ahead and nominate Nazgrim. Come on now, all five of you.

[Zulkhan]

He's probably chained to the bed, screaming for god, screaming for freedom...

As long he doesn't scream "Anveena", his life will be spared.

[Friendlyimmolation]

As long he doesn't scream "Anveena", his life will be spared.

Every blood elf man and woman has Aveena all over them

[Zulkhan]

Every blood elf man and woman has Aveena all over them

Well, she's kinda banged by every single Blood Elf in existence at the same time.

Poor Kalec. Anveena has become the whore of an entire nation.

[Irian]

He was negotiating with the Alliance to go turncoat prior to the events of 5.1. Because it was Jaina's decision to expel them from Dalaran that made him change his mind. So, prior to the rebellion, prior to the troll genocide, prior to the events of ToT Lor'themar was trying to change sides. So, was he trying to change sides because of Theramore? If this is the case, he'd be leaving the entirety of the Horde because Theramore's Fall was a joint collaboration between the Kor'kron AND one of his own, Thalen Songweaver. He didn't attempt to leave after the Horde was falling apart, he just attempted to leave it regardless.

Maybe Theron tried to leave because he didn't feel secure anymore. So maybe if he doesn't like the Alliance and doesn't trust the Horde, he needs to just take his people and leave. He can go be his own faction.

Lor'themar says straight up in the 5.1 quest that he will be forced to reconsider old alliances. No, he wasn't trying to leave before then and it was never even remotely stated that he was. He was negotiating with the Alliance because of the events of 5.1's story, which was implied from the reputation gate to have taken course over a fairly large span of time. 5.1's story was not all together by any means, it was supposed to be thought of as a series of individual events.

Also, Thalen Songweaver was a Sunreaver. He is not a part of the Silvermoon/Quel'thalas blood elves, they are completely different groups of blood elves. It was only the events of 5.1 that brought them together, so saying that he was "one of his own" isn't correct at all. Lor'themar had absolutely nothing to do with Thalen Songweaver.

Him questioning departure from the Horde did in fact start either at 5.1 or between 5.0 and 5.1, and that was a direct result of Garrosh's war. And it could come down to personal opinion, but I definitely do not think it's cowardly or wrong to leave a faction with a leader openly expresses how much he distrusts and reviles your people and is actively ripping your would-be allies further and further apart.

[Traveler Voltin]

SHE KIDNAPPED ME, MEHN!

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On a different note, someone go right ahead and nominate Nazgrim. Come on now, all five of you.

keep telling yourself that

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Thoras_Trollbane
i win

[Rhlor]

lorthemar is a patriot