Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Bar

[PC2]

Yeah, but this is sort of like blaming the US government for 9/11, because they wanted to invade Iraq, or pass the Patriot act/suspend Habeas Corpus. I mean I did not like Bush, but that was not ever a thought in my mind... yet some people (on both the left and right) were sure this was the case.

I just think it is deluded all around.

Yeah it's comparable to 9/11 truthers. Ive met both right wing and left wing 9/11 truthers, it definitely isn't partisan.

[Wildtree]

I do and I don't get it. Are you saying he wasn't gay enough to count as a gay person? Is like a religious thing? It's just weird to me and I don't see what you are on about.

Also, I'm asking you a direct question. If you are going to take the time to respond, why not just answer it, instead of being all cryptic? Just sayin....

You want me to repeat what we have now just discussed on the last 2 - 3 pages?
We do not know for now whether he was just investigating, or whether he had bisexual motives.

[Pangean]

http://www.pledgemusic.com/projects/.../updates/70516

Awesome album cover from Roger Dean too.
Really excited about it. Can't wait to get the album.

So you made me put on the album and my son walks by and wants to know why I am listening to the weird classical music. Still laughing.

[Tijuana]

You want me to repeat what we have now just discussed on the last 2 - 3 pages?
We do not know for now whether he was just investigating, or whether he had bisexual motives.

I get that. What does that matter though?

[Wildtree]

So you made me put on the album and my son walks by and wants to know why I am listening to the weird classical music. Still laughing.

hahaha... sorry lol

[Independent voter]

That really depends on your perspective. To some in our community you are not "gay" till you come out. You are known as a closet case.

From the CDC's point of view, MSM is a man who has sex with men, but does not label themselves as "gay".

From my point of view, the person themselves would have to identify themselves, it can't come from someone else. How many people do you know from High School who were called "gay" but were actually straight. It is kind of a complicated thing.

But really, if you are attracted sexually to only men, and you are a guy, you are a homosexual. Acting on it or not, is irrelevant.

If you're having sex with dudes and you're a dude, that's pretty much the definition of gay.

I'm not going to let them change that.

[Tijuana]

That really depends on your perspective. To some in our community you are not "gay" till you come out. You are known as a closet case.

From the CDC's point of view, MSM is a man who has sex with men, but does not label themselves as "gay".

From my point of view, the person themselves would have to identify themselves, it can't come from someone else. How many people do you know from High School who were called "gay" but were actually straight. It is kind of a complicated thing.

But really, if you are attracted sexually to only men, and you are a guy, you are a homosexual. Acting on it or not, is irrelevant.

What does his sexuality have to do with the fact that he murdered 50 people? Am I the only one scratching their head? It seems to me the key issue here is the mass murder and such.

[Wildtree]

I get that. What does that matter though?

It matters whether what kind of crime we're looking at.

[Wildtree]

If you're having sex with dudes and you're a dude, that's pretty much the definition of gay.

I'm not going to let them change that.

No, that's not how it goes lol

Mick Jagger is the prime icon for a womanizer and stud, who fucked generations of chicks, yet he was bisexual.
Same can be said about Bowie, who had a period of bisexual experimentation, but was hetero after all.

[Tijuana]

It matters whether what kind of crime we're looking at.

The crime is murder. What don't you understand about that? Seriously, what does him being gay, Muslim, or fucking smelly have to do with the fact that he just murdered 50ish people? It's not like he will be charged with anything.

[Khaza-R]

It matters whether what kind of crime we're looking at.

How so? Its still a hate crime whether he is straight, bi, gay, trans, w/e. Its still domestic terrorism whether radical Islam was his motive or not.

[Thepersona]

If you're having sex with dudes and you're a dude, that's pretty much the definition of gay.

I'm not going to let them change that.

well, if you're having sex exclusively with dudes, you're gay
if you want to, but only have sex with woman (and also like to have sex with them) you're a bisexual
damn, the sexuality thing is a bit hard

You can also not have sex with men, and still identify as gay. There are some celibate gay guys out there.

or have sex with man and don't identify as homosexual/bisexual. some porn stars do gay sex just for the paycheck

[Pangean]

hahaha... sorry lol

Lol don't be. It's been years since I listened to it and I got a great laugh out of it as well.

[Wildtree]

How so? Its still a hate crime whether he is straight, bi, gay, trans, w/e. Its still domestic terrorism whether radical Islam was his motive or not.

That would be the rational approach, I agree.
But there are of course, as presented already the ones that deny terrorism calling it a false flag.

[Tijuana]

Dead men don't get charged with crimes. Or wear plaid, but that is a topic for another day.

[Deathcries]

One Islamic guy shoots up a night club.

Millions of them don't.

And it's Islam's fault?

One gun owner kills people, it's 80 million law abiding gun owners fault?

You make a good argument.

[Deleted]

That really depends on your perspective. To some in our community you are not "gay" till you come out. You are known as a closet case.

From the CDC's point of view, MSM is a man who has sex with men, but does not label themselves as "gay".

From my point of view, the person themselves would have to identify themselves, it can't come from someone else. How many people do you know from High School who were called "gay" but were actually straight. It is kind of a complicated thing.

But really, if you are attracted sexually to only men, and you are a guy, you are a homosexual. Acting on it or not, is irrelevant.

It's a little sad and ironic that bisexuals -like you- don't always get taken seriously by gays and lesbians because you're not necessarily acting it, thus the bi erasure

The LGBT community can be so divisive itself, and this latest happening is no different, queer muslims aren between a rock and a hard place sometimes.

[Wildtree]

Lol don't be. It's been years since I listened to it and I got a great laugh out of it as well.

Got the six wives anniversary concert at Hampton court too by chance? If not, it's amazing too.
I got the DVD.

[Pangean]

Got the six wives anniversary concert at Hampton court too by chance? If not, it's amazing too.
I got the DVD.

No I don't. I will look into getting a copy.

[Wildtree]

The crime is murder. What don't you understand about that?

Who said that I or anyone else doesn't understand that?

Seriously, what does him being gay, Muslim, or fucking smelly have to do with the fact that he just murdered 50ish people? It's not like he will be charged with anything.

Maybe people are just interested in facts and truth's?
Such a strange concept?
False conclusions lead to false results. No matter what it is, crime is no exception.