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The sadder sad part is that people have to argue the hyperbole Police State nonsense, instead of realizing that this will close an extremely huge loophole in the discovery laws that lets many criminals escape without so much as a warning. If you suddenly think that police will be stopping everyone they see in the hopes there is some existing warrant they can capitalize on, then I weep for you and your tin foil hat.
Depends, do you want to me put on my Constitutianlist hat, or the I actually live in reality hat?
Forgive me for not caring about someone going to jail for a warrant. You can be put on a payment plan of $1.50 a week with the city to prevent a citation turning into a warrant. Not even the "BUT DEY SO POOR" excuse will work for this one.
The rest of your post is nonsense, so I'll just ignore it.
From an idealistic "Constitutianlist" standpoint, the entire reason we have the 4th amendment is so that cops, in their microcosm of limited power, don't have the ability to harass whoever they feel like at random. Statistically, inevitably, this leads to personal bias affecting who gets arrested rather than what the law is. From this, we see the patterns of racism and "profiling", which are a symptom of cops being able to decide who's a criminal rather than society.
From a realistic standpoint, the reason we have the 4th amendment is to protect citizens from cops, because cops are always the ones with the upper hand in any interaction. Cops don't need additional constitutional amendments written to increase their power. They've already got it right in their pocket.
This idea that if we migrate back to having a 4th amendment that somehow cops won't be able to arrest criminals any more... isn't based in reality at all. It isn't even based on some sort of loose p-hacked scientific study. It's just outright bullshit.
Cops were arresting plenty of people before 2001, when we still pretended to have a 4th amendment.
Additionally, the more you have cops arresting people on personal bias rather than law, it dilutes and weakens the entire penal and justice system. You can't just throw more people in jail for increasingly pathetic reasons forever and expect positive results. You run out of space to put the "real" criminals; you wear out the mechanisms for justice to be carried out when the court has to see 1,000 cases in a day instead of 100.
Last edited by Daerio; 2016-06-21 at 07:44 PM.
Seems like a total non-issue. Prosecutors should be allowed to use evidence "legally" obtained even if the original interaction with an officer of the law was started "illegally"
Also, what exactly is the barrier for what is and isn't a reasonable stop? I've been stopped before for riding to close to a curb. It seems that an officer could come up with nearly an infinite list of reasons to justify stopping someone. Quick google research shows it is tough to prove that a traffic stop was illegal.unless the cop states his original reason and it is deemed illegal. But it seem many could say something as lame as "believed window tint was too dark" and its can be deemed legal.
It seems many here are using a slippery slope fallacy. As in this gives cops license to just stop anyone for any reason and start searching them. I just don't see it. The ruling itself doesn't actually state this, and with the major budget cuts and understaffing some police forces are going through, I just don't see them increasing traffic stops and searches on the off chance they may catch a warrant.
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The problem with this is that the cops usually protect their own. Cops who break the law and do illegal searches dont get fired unless they shoot a couple of people and it becomes impossible to protect them. That coupled with the fact that getting more arrests and convictions equals more promotions for them means that its generally a bad thing.
If the cops cant use the evidence from an illegal search its a good thing all around. First, it can get the cop breaking the law in trouble (although it probably doesnt), it will draw blame and attention to it because the criminal can now walk free, discouraging such behavior in the future and finally reward cops who do it the right way, by actually following the law.
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Prediction for the future
Oddly enough the only time I have ever been illegally pulled over was the same place this started from - South Salt Lake, Utah. Nothing happened, I gave them my license/registration and was let go although with about a 10 minute delay.
I don't recall who pulled me over now but after reading about this I wonder if it was this person here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us...ests.html?_r=0
http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?...court.html.csp
The reason why I wonder this is because I was pulled over on a Saturday night of a holiday weekend (think Labor day weekend) and I know the cops are much more aggressive trying to find drunk drivers then.