BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Incredibale]

I'm not too sure the family of Jo Coxx would agree with Farage on that one.

Forced meme again. Do you ever think for yourself?

[Mayhem]

Farage said this was accomplished without firing a single shot, but when I look at how rabid and sick Remainers are, they may end up regretting that fact.

He did? So after a week ago that one lady from the remain campaign was shot he told this was accomplished without firing a single shot?

Really? It explains so much about the situation in Germany.

Of course, and therefore it must be so.

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and with it, democracy falls apart...

That´s part of being a union i guess. Quite ironic.

[Wildtree]

1.6 million Scots get more of a say than 17.4 million UK citizens.

Well, it's within the Scots rights to secede, if they wish, isn't it?

If they do it then the next referendum that the UK has will be to remove Scotland.

Now that's the twist. Can that be done?
States/countries can leave. But can they get kicked?
Normally the second option doesn't exist.
UK can leave the EU, but the EU cannot remove the UK, for example.

[Deleted]

Farage said this was accomplished without firing a single shot, but when I look at how rabid and sickRemainers are, they may end up regretting that fact.

This is a consequence of the referendum format. If the results were flipped and Remain had won, we'd be see the exact same situation with Leave.

One side isn't magically more magnanimous than the other.

[Xilurm]

and with it, democracy falls apart...

Maybe next time they will actually think before voting and not vote because they are bored and have nothing else to do. What's the point if half of the leavers don't want to leave anymore. They fucked up their country because of stupidity.

[Huehuecoyotl]

This is a consequence of the referendum format. If the results were flipped and Remain had won, we'd be see the exact same situation with Leave.

One side isn't magically more magnanimous than the other.

The evening of the count, Farage was actually saying that if the result was close, like 52-48 in favour of remain, that they would push for another vote.

[Deleted]

Well, it's within the Scots rights to secede, if they wish, isn't it?

Scotland has the right to secede from the UK, that is not the question here.

The question is, Does Scotland have the right to block the rest of the UK from leaving the European Union?

Now that's the twist. Can that be done?
States/countries can leave. But can they get kicked?
Normally the second option doesn't exist.
UK can leave the EU, but the EU cannot remove the UK, for example.

Yes, The United Kingdom is a union between Scotland and England, as much as Scotland can have a referendum on whether or not they want to dissolve the Union, the rest of the Union can have the same debate.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Farage said this was accomplished without firing a single shot, but when I look at how rabid and sick Remainers are, they may end up regretting that fact.

I'm sorry, what?

There were multiple, real shots fired at Jo Cox, MP in the name of the Leave campaign. Or has Farage forgotten this fact already?

[Mayhem]

So how much of the things the UK need to discuss can be changed by the EU members even while the UK are still part of the EU?

Can the EU change the passporting rules?

Can the EU move certain institutes currently located in london to for example dublin?

[Wildtree]

Scotland has the right to secede from the UK, that is not the question here.

The question is, Does Scotland have the right to block the rest of the UK from leaving the European Union?

Honestly? I've no clue. Not familiar with the fine prints of British laws. I can only go by gut feeling. That's also why my questions to you were genuine. not thought provocative btw.

Yes, The United Kingdom is a union between Scotland and England, and then NI and Wales were conquered by England, as much as Scotland can have a referendum on whether or not they want to dissolve the Union, the rest of the Union can have the same debate.

That is interesting. If that's true it's rather crazy though.

[Cosmic Janitor]

It actually does.
Because if the guilt trip would still exist, the AfD wouldn't be as strong as it is.
In fact, it would be under scrutiny by the authorities who'd try everything they could to ban them. as it did happen in the past with other right wing parties.

Not quite sure. Personally from my observations the guild trip is mostly a media thing and among young(er) Germans barely anyone thinks that way. Because of this cognitive dissonance, the exact opposite happens now, the young people are sick and tired of hearing the WW2 stuff because they have nothing to do with it. Some of them grow up with classes where half of the kids don't speak their language properly and yet they are the ones which have to be quiet about it. I think a considerable part of these people are driven to the right exactly because of that. I'm really not interested in racist hate speech, but silencing every dissenting opinion is not that great either. An open discourse never happened here because all there is is either-or and one side was clearly not socially accepted. When you transfer this to politics it's hardly surprising that so many identify with the AfD, despite never identifying with the NPD. It's not about getting all foreigners out, not about making the nazi salute great again, it's about having a conservative party (which has been in power for ages) that is so far left by now that they lapped the socialist and green one (mind you, while I would welcome a critical party in that regard I don't think voting for a party that has been infiltrated by the far right a valid choice).

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Scotland has the right to secede from the UK, that is not the question here.

The question is, Does Scotland have the right to block the rest of the UK from leaving the European Union?

Probably, yes. If the act of Parliament has to get through Holyrood, then Scotland likely would have that option.

[Wildtree]

So how much of the things the UK need to discuss can be changed by the EU members even while the UK are still part of the EU?

Can the EU change the passporting rules?

Can the EU move certain institutes currently located in london to for example dublin?

basically nothing can be changed for now, while the UK is still a member.
Everything can be set up, to flip the switches, where and when needed.
And that's what happens now, as much as we can read/hear.

[Incredibale]

Lots of circus animals in this thread fronting the forced meme of Jo Cox.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

So it looks like Boris won't go through with article 50 this is a good thing.

And if Boris won't, nobody will. He is the only real candidate for Number 10 that wanted out.

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Lots of circus animals in this thread fronting the forced meme of Jo Cox.

What do you mean by that?

[Mayhem]

basically nothing can be changed for now, while the UK is still a member.
Everything can be set up, to flip the switches, where and when needed.
And that's what happens now, as much as we can read/hear.

So they can veto everything but bitch about when scots try to do the same now?

[Deleted]

Honestly? I've no clue. Not familiar with the fine prints of British laws. I can only go by gut feeling. That's also why my questions to you were genuine. not thought provocative btw.

With regards to your first question, yes Scotland can leave the United Kingdom by having Westminster annul the treaty of 1707 that formed the Kingdom of Great Britain, before we had Ireland to contend with.

Now as it stands, i'm not even sure that Holyrood (thats the Scottish Parliament) can block the UK leaving legally, but Nicola Sturgeon seems to believe she has that power, and she's far more of an authority on the ins and outs of Parliamentary laws than I am. My intial point was more of an "Is it morally right that Scotland do that" more than anything.

That is interesting. If that's true it's rather crazy though.

The truly crazy thing is that even if Scotland win a referendum result to go independent, its up to the government of the United Kingdoms on whether it actually happens, since as we are currently being shown, our referendums are only advisory.

[Macaquerie]

So it looks like Boris won't go through with article 50 this is a good thing.

In that case, why even have the referendum at all? Why waste everybody else's time with all this Brexit drama if the leaders aren't even prepared to follow through on it?

The truly crazy thing is that even if Scotland win a referendum result to go independent, its up to the government of the United Kingdoms on whether it actually happens, since as we are currently being shown, our referendums are only advisory.

Honestly, this is why this type of referendum is pretty pointless except to create unnecessary problems. If you must use referenda, they should have a specific proposal attached spelled out in exact detail that will automatically go into effect in the case of an affirmative result.

[Lorianus]

And if Boris won't, nobody will. He is the only real candidate for Number 10 that wanted out.

Dont know how credible that tweet is but: https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...26084944838656

If thats true i think its time to grab the popcorn and lean back.

[Deleted]

Lots of circus animals in this thread fronting the forced meme of Jo Cox.

Really hope that you are trolling.