So i tried retri on ptr and fu***** sucks

[Ashelorh]

I mean if they want to copy paste the talent, why the hell they need to nerf it especially at lv 100 talent.

Balancing reasons. The spec is so different it's honestly not worth comparing.

[Unholyground]

Don't forget classes won't be fully balanced at launch there was a blue post about it, classes are going to be very turbulent after release, expect many talent and passive changes for the first 6 months. When classes are overhauled like this they continue to iterate on them post launch, mind you some classes will get more attention than others.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Don't forget classes won't be fully balanced at launch there was a blue post about it, classes are going to be very turbulent after release, expect many talent and passive changes for the first 6 months. When classes are overhauled like this they continue to iterate on them post launch, mind you some classes will get more attention than others.

don't play devil's advocate.

You can't fill your stomach with promises of tomorrow.

[Aerknard]

Don't forget classes won't be fully balanced at launch there was a blue post about it, classes are going to be very turbulent after release, expect many talent and passive changes for the first 6 months. When classes are overhauled like this they continue to iterate on them post launch, mind you some classes will get more attention than others.

Considering blizz up till now. Not so much...
I can agree with some classes will get more attention though

[TheFirstOnes]

On topic, if you're unhappy with how Ret is playing on the PTR change your talents around.

Yes it's losing the casino-aspect of the class but it's gaining a lot of heavy think in the meantime. As said before wake of ashes changes the spec considerably and monitoring your judgment debuff is a hell of a lot more fun than the stupidity of maintaining an inquisition buff that literally made no sense and was just straight replaced by a passive mastery buff for WoD.

As for this quote, that is a fucking terrible example.

You can have opinions on things but if you're opinion is demonstrably false then it's a lie and you're just that jerk that's going "Well, to me it looks green and your opinion that it's red is just your opinion man."

I don't care if you're color-blind at that point you're being intentionally obtuse because you don't want to admit that you're wrong and are following a lie.

You're not spreading truth at all. You're trying to create a carebear world where no one is offended. That's just not a right we have, no one can remain unoffended, but people shouldn't be intentionally harassed.

Also if something is the opinion of someone else let them defend it. They don't need you coming in and trying to mend fences that don't matter.

Welcome to the internet. where no one cares what the hell anyone else says. :I And this goes for me seeing your comment.

[Unholyground]

Considering blizz up till now. Not so much...
I can agree with some classes will get more attention though

The thing is, people are still shitting all over them but their dev team is 200+ where as for Pandaria and WoD they were less than 80 on top of getting their best people to train newbies throughout the entirety of both expansions, people don't seem to take this dev team splinter into account.

[Geso]

Take a look at this legendary. http://legion.wowhead.com/item=13704...fury-unleashed

Now take a look at our artifact calculator, specifically Ashes to Ashes and Wrath of the Ashbringer.

So you know that level 100 talent, Crusade? Know how it sucks at 100? Yeah, it's gonna be big dick at 110 with a proper setup.

Now, I'm not saying the spec doesn't have problems, but I do think it will be competitive at 110.

First off the legendary you linked is the 1 of the weakest with http://www.wowhead.com/item=137020 being the best of them all

Second the "talent" that is Crusade is trash even at 110 in the current state even with A2A being taken into account. Crusade you're giving up 35% dmg for 27.5 sec (after artifact) for at most 37.5% dmg and 37.5% haste which you have to ramp up to from 0% over the course of your 27.5 second buff. By taking Crusade you also give up on the RNG that is DP. So you lose out on the ability to RNG into more dmg to do less dmg during your 1 dmg cd. The reason it is less damage is because the A2A is only doing at most 15% more damage when you use it compared to the 35% damage it would have gotten from AW. Overall with the current talent choices the only "sane" one is DP and that is playing the lottery.

[Morally Grey Storm]

The thing is, people are still shitting all over them but their dev team is 200+ where as for Pandaria and WoD they were less than 80 on top of getting their best people to train newbies throughout the entirety of both expansions, people don't seem to take this dev team splinter into account.

quantity/quality ratio is lacking.

[Unholyground]

quantity/quality ratio is lacking.

You have never been part of a development team have you? Or developed something while learning it? It is not as easy as you think. Now it is Blizzards fault for poorly planning I agree, but there are explanations why some expansions have been better than others. Hell WoD uses systems that were developed years before WoD even released because they develop ideas and systems and sit on them, that is why we had a garrison expansion. Just like artifact traits, they used to be the path of the titans but reworked into artifact weapons.

[Morally Grey Storm]

You have never been part of a development team have you? Or developed something while learning it? It is not as easy as you think.

no, and I couldn't care less.

Quality is in decline since WotLK, that's the bottom line and fact of the matter.

[OrcsRLame]

First off the legendary you linked is the 1 of the weakest with http://www.wowhead.com/item=137020 being the best of them all

Second the "talent" that is Crusade is trash even at 110 in the current state even with A2A being taken into account. Crusade you're giving up 35% dmg for 27.5 sec (after artifact) for at most 37.5% dmg and 37.5% haste which you have to ramp up to from 0% over the course of your 27.5 second buff. By taking Crusade you also give up on the RNG that is DP. So you lose out on the ability to RNG into more dmg to do less dmg during your 1 dmg cd. The reason it is less damage is because the A2A is only doing at most 15% more damage when you use it compared to the 35% damage it would have gotten from AW. Overall with the current talent choices the only "sane" one is DP and that is playing the lottery.

Why is Liadrin's Fury Unleashed one of the worst? If anything it has huge synergy with Whisper of the Nathrezim since one buffs the damage of spenders and the other increases the rate of HP generation. I mean, it's not like they're competing with much. We have 2 slots for legendaries and these are the only ones that give a direct dps benefit for ret.

Either way, where are you getting this information? Like, do you have hard numbers that say Crusade still sucks cock with everything under the sun propping it up? I ask because in my tests on PTR at 100, Crusade was fairly close to being dps neutral, and that was before they buffed it. And anything that buffs holy power generation or duration of AW is going to inherently favor Crusade more, because Crusade is a stacking mechanic. I mean it's just logical. Since AW is 35% more damage and Crusade is 37.5% more damage and haste at max stacks, there must be a tipping point where Crusade becomes better.

[Pull My Finger]

I have been playing since tbc and this retri sucks, it is so bad that i won't be touching this class in legion.
Retri paladin was so awesome in wod, best version of all expansions.
Everything worked cool, it was fun to play,
Combat animation looked cool, gameplay was nice, why did you went with it to the toilet completely.
I wanted something new but this sucks balls.
My few cents.

Thank you for your substantiated, comprehensive and intelligent assessment!

[Unholyground]

no, and I couldn't care less.

Quality is in decline since WotLK, that's the bottom line and fact of the matter.

I will argue that Legion is better than Wrath already, and Wrath was my favortie.

[Morally Grey Storm]

I will argue that Legion is better than Wrath already, and Wrath was my favortie.

having no mobility besides "w" button is already better than WotLK, sure as sure.
having all of our trademark team utility stripped is already better too.
There dat off-healing goes.
Magic cleanses - kiss you goodbye.
Ciao, Seals and Auras, you won't be missed already.
Turn Evil, DI, hoW, all the iconic and defining stuff we had all these years - thrown away for the sake of #fantasy


Yeah, I can feel it's better than Wrath already.

[Unholyground]

having no mobility besides "w" button is already better than WotLK, sure as sure.
having all of our trademark team utility stripped is already better too.
There dat off-healing goes.
Magic cleanses - kiss you goodbye.
Ciao, Seals and Auras, you won't be missed already.
Turn Evil, DI, hoW, all the iconic and defining stuff we had all these years - thrown away for the sake of #fantasy


Yeah, I can feel it's better than Wrath already.

Plenty of other classes to play, I actually liked the changes they made to the Paladin. Paladin also have the only buffs now and they are OP.

[Deleted]

Paladin also have the only buffs now and they are OP.

Has to be another Paladin in another game then.

[TeeZed]

I tried it on the PTR several times and was bragging to my friends about how awesome it is and how it feels better than it ever has.

You might as well just play arms warrior, their talents actually matter unlike ret and it's an almost identical play style with more mobility and burst.

On topic, there's more people unhappy than there are happy, the issue is the talents are boring and trash, don't change the play style in any meaningful way other than getting to press TV twice in a row sometimes, or getting a bit more cleave.

The blessings are great and the utility is obviously a nice boon as well, but the payoff is a dull playstyle and mobility that sucks

[Morally Grey Storm]

Plenty of other classes to play, I actually liked the changes they made to the Paladin.

so you enjoyed having your class(or spec) getting sodomized with a broken shovel shaft ?
Ok then.

Paladin also have the only buffs now and they are OP.

Might I suggest you start making sense?

[Unholyground]

so you enjoyed having your class(or spec) getting sodomized with a broken shovel shaft ?
Ok then.


Might I suggest you start making sense?

How so? The game is far less homo now.

[Morally Grey Storm]

How so? The game is far less homo now.

I repeat my request: please start making sense.