When do you think incest will become legal in the West?

[Sorrior]

Sometime after fucking children and a little bit before fucking dogs and cats.

Ummm actually............read up on bestiality it is legal, in a number if places and wasn't their a recent thing where it got outright approved?

[jimboa24]

If you ever want to expose the absolute hypocrisy of the whole "love is love" bullshit, then bring up incest. Then watch the people who said that it doesn't matter if two people are gay or straight, all that matters is that they're consenting adults, and love is love, and it's none of our business, and blah blah blah COMPLETELY backtrack on their own argument and wag their fingers and talk all about how immoral it is (after they landblast the entire concept of morality when it's gay marriage in question), etc.

Here's a question for all of you who say that gay marriage is fine but incest (and I mean REAL incest, not just cousin-cousin shit) isn't: if the two people are consenting adults, and if they don't intend on having biological children, then whose business is it if they're related or not? Why should it be illegal? Isn't love love?

[Forogil]

Religion + cultural stigma, mostly. Plus higher chance of defects, although it is a poor argument, for multiple reasons.

It's not actually a poor argument - since we have large population that support that argument.

According to the Dubai-based "Centre for Arab Genomic Studies" http://www.cags.org.ae/ and specifically http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7573/831.full
"Available data suggest that genetic and congenital disorders are more common in Arab countries than in industrialised countries; recessively inherited disorders account for a substantial proportion of physical and mental handicap. Several factors may contribute to the high prevalence of genetically determined disorders:
-High consanguinity rates—25-60% of all marriages are consanguineous, and the rate of first cousin marriages is high .. (and then a number of other problems)".

Consanguinity means marriage between relatives, not necessarily the ones that are incestuous, and with high rate of first cousin marriages he means above 10% in almost all countries, and in most countries above 25% - with Sudan topping the list with 45%.

Obviously they might be wrong, but I assume that Dubai created the centre because they realized that they had a problem and wanted to reduce it.

[Daedius]

pay for the disabled/retarded offspring.

People over 50 are allowed to have kids... with age increases the chances of disabilities and such, and this is perfectly legal. Even people with disabilities with regards to gene defects are allowed to have kids...

Sure, generations of incest is bad... but the offspring of a first pairing of incest is hardly any different to a normal offspring. So such arguments as the one I quoted is weak at best.

[buck008]

If you ever want to expose the absolute hypocrisy of the whole "love is love" bullshit, then bring up incest. Then watch the people who said that it doesn't matter if two people are gay or straight, all that matters is that they're consenting adults, and love is love, and it's none of our business, and blah blah blah COMPLETELY backtrack on their own argument and wag their fingers and talk all about how immoral it is (after they landblast the entire concept of morality when it's gay marriage in question), etc.

Here's a question for all of you who say that gay marriage is fine but incest (and I mean REAL incest, not just cousin-cousin shit) isn't: if the two people are consenting adults, and if they don't intend on having biological children, then whose business is it if they're related or not? Why should it be illegal? Isn't love love?

I think you'll find a lot of people are making the argument that you are saying they wouldn't.

[Krille]

It's not actually a poor argument - since we have large population that support that argument.

According to the Dubai-based "Centre for Arab Genomic Studies" http://www.cags.org.ae/ and specifically http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7573/831.full
"Available data suggest that genetic and congenital disorders are more common in Arab countries than in industrialised countries; recessively inherited disorders account for a substantial proportion of physical and mental handicap. Several factors may contribute to the high prevalence of genetically determined disorders:
-High consanguinity rates—25-60% of all marriages are consanguineous, and the rate of first cousin marriages is high .. (and then a number of other problems)".

Consanguinity means marriage between relatives, not necessarily the ones that are incestuous, and with high rate of first cousin marriages he means above 10% in almost all countries, and in most countries above 25% - with Sudan topping the list with 45%.

Obviously they might be wrong, but I assume that Dubai created the centre because they realized that they had a problem and wanted to reduce it.

There's a big chance much of our society is the result of incest at some point in time.

[Cyberowl]

Isnt it legal in some states in the US? I do not want it on my search history so I am not rechecking atm.

I don't think it is. But you made me think about how some of our posters could be called illegals!

[Zyky]

I hope never. Scientific studies show that children from a blood related siblings are more likely to have both mental deficiencies and serious health problems. Last thing the earth needs is more dead weight and retards.

[Violent]

Or I came into this thread with an opinion like everybody else. Also if you don't care why reply to me? Jeez you people confuse me.

A reply directly correlates to my desire to "know what you're into"? I think not. A reply is a reply, nothing more. You don't have to rack your brain about it.

[Dellis0991]

Never hopefully, wanting to fuck your siblings, mother, father and etc is just nasty.

[May90]

It's not actually a poor argument - since we have large population that support that argument.

According to the Dubai-based "Centre for Arab Genomic Studies" http://www.cags.org.ae/ and specifically http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7573/831.full
"Available data suggest that genetic and congenital disorders are more common in Arab countries than in industrialised countries; recessively inherited disorders account for a substantial proportion of physical and mental handicap. Several factors may contribute to the high prevalence of genetically determined disorders:
-High consanguinity rates—25-60% of all marriages are consanguineous, and the rate of first cousin marriages is high .. (and then a number of other problems)".

Consanguinity means marriage between relatives, not necessarily the ones that are incestuous, and with high rate of first cousin marriages he means above 10% in almost all countries, and in most countries above 25% - with Sudan topping the list with 45%.

Obviously they might be wrong, but I assume that Dubai created the centre because they realized that they had a problem and wanted to reduce it.

It is a poor argument, because:
1. The probability of genetic defects is really low; 2%, if I remember correctly from a study.
2. We already have a lot of categories of people with increased chance of genetic defects in case of childbirth.
3. Incest does not necessarily lead to childbirth.

I mean, it is something to consider, but not something that should be used as an argument against legalized incest.

[kail]

It's not illegal for siblings or other relatives to have sex (consensual of course). Marriage on the other hand...I mean we just recently recognized gay marriage so one step at a time.

Actually after a quick lookup, it seems to vary by state. Still not seeing why the government can dictate who we can or can't fuck.

[Video Games]

A reply directly correlates to my desire to "know what you're into"? I think not. A reply is a reply, nothing more. You don't have to rack your brain about it.

It's more like
>I don't care
>proceeds to care by replying over and over

[Deletedaccount1]

It should be legal.

[Chemii]

8 pages ha ha

This particular issue has never crossed my mind frankly, though through watching porn I have come to think about if when I was younger, one of my parents had paired up with another separated partner, who also had kids, one being a fit girl of similar age to me, if it would be wrong to have sex with her and how that would be handled socially.

[Forogil]

There's a big chance much of our society is the result of incest at some point in time.

The fact that we have taboos and even that humans (and many animals) naturally avoid incest mean that there is an evolutionary pressure to avoid it.

An evolutionary pressure only occurs for something that actually occurs sufficiently often - and with sufficiently important consequences; which means that both incest occurs and that it is bad.

[jimboa24]

I personally find the argument against the legality of incest based on genetic defect probabilities more than a little creepy and Big Brother-esque. We have no laws restricting people who carry genetic or hereditary diseases from having children. We have no laws barring women over 40 from having children. A woman over 40, or a woman who is a CF carrier and who has a CF carrier husband, are both far, far more likely to have a child with a genetic defect than a woman who has a child with her brother. The latter is illegal. The former two are not. I'm not saying that the former scenarios should be illegal as well - I'm personally for as much personal freedom as possible. But I find the legal inconsistencies extremely problematic.

[Forogil]

It is a poor argument, because:
1. The probability of genetic defects is really low; 2%, if I remember correctly from a study.
2. We already have a lot of categories of people with increased chance of genetic defects in case of childbirth.
3. Incest does not necessarily lead to childbirth.

1. According to Wikipedia it is 4% excess mortality for children of first cousins - which is legal in most places, and then 20% genetic defects for closer relations.
2. Yes, and we try to reduce those risks, e.g. extra screening of older mothers (due to risk of Down's syndrom), extra screening in Israel of Ashkenazi Jews for Tay-Sachs - and CAGS aims for similar checks.
3. True - but?

I mean, it is something to consider, but not something that should be used as an argument against legalized incest.

If that is a poor argument, I wonder what you see as a good argument.

[Krille]

The fact that we have taboos and even that humans (and many animals) naturally avoid incest mean that there is an evolutionary pressure to avoid it.

An evolutionary pressure only occurs for something that actually occurs sufficiently often - and with sufficiently important consequences; which means that both incest occurs and that it is bad.

Yeah no. The reason incest is regarded as immoral is because it's been a crime for hundreds of years. And the grand moral associations (religions) deemed it to be unnatural. Modern society looks beyond these petty ideas though. And it's already started with gay marriage and making homosexuality less frowned upon. Modern society wants to liberate our own bodies, be it wrong or right.

[Deleted]

Reproductive arguments aside there are other good reasons not to fuck your family.

How many of you have an ex you can't talk to or be around because it is awkward as fuck for one or both of you?

Why introduce that can of worms to family relationships, there are a bunch of holes out there to explore. Leave the house, you lazy fucks.

Sex being taboo within the family allows for a different kind of love and expressions of affection that can't be misconstrued as sexual and the relationships are, one would hope, permanent.