Where is the returning player Hype?

[Schattenlied]

Usually when pre-patch is about to hit the hype train starts and people start flooding back to WoW. We have less than a week till pre-patch and I don't see any signs of people returning in droves like usual. Makes me wonder how big Legion will actually be.

Did WoD really turn people off this much? This is first time I've ever seen pre-patch not be super hyped up.

With the state some class/specs are in I'm not surprised... You won't see much of any hype from Ret players, that's for damn sure... I was planning to resub for the prepatch, as I always had in the past, but with the state of my main (Ret), no, they don't get that subtime... I'm barely convinced to sub for the expansion itself at this point...

101 pages (that's over 2,000 posts, and a massive amount more than any other spec's feedback thread) of displeasure in the official beta feedback thread for Ret, and no communication back from blizzard what so ever while they continue to ignore what is probly upwards of 90% of players absolutely loathing Greater Blessings (GBoM is just trash design all the way through, it makes the other 2 blessings worthless as having 3GBoM up is mandatory for our already sub-par DPS, and we have to rely on 2-3 other players for ~10-15% of our DPS), and the fact that our lack of mobility is utter horseshit.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

You should log on the game then. We have had 5+ people come back in our guild alone. I constantly see people in trade as well.

We also run a WoW youtube channel and the amount of people that have come in that have no clue whats changed or havent played for years is insane.

There is very much a big returning bases.

[FelPlague]

Perhaps it is. But it does not explain the complete degradation after. For example armor sets after TBC. No epic-ness and beauty. Of course, it's a matter of taste, but I recently flew around Silvermoon and realized that was the last epic year of this game. Try it and you'll see the truth.

"flew around silvermoon" how? you cant fly there.... and how is this the last year of the game? blizz is no where near shutting it down, i doudt they will, even if its losing money, the other games are making WAY MORE then enough to support a broken leg of wow

[Solex]

My friends and I are coming back, I've been stocking up salvaged crates for Xmogs and getting money together as well as getting some alts to 100 which for me is rare. I've also quit during cata, pandas and wod so I don't know if I'll stay but in a weird way WoW is like disney movies when you're a kid. Sure, you realize some of it is stupid but it's always home in a weird way. For some people that's not the case and that's totally cool too. I started during BC and while I loved my time during it, I wouldn't want to go back to it ever again (Rogue kick being on GCD was stupid, doing vial math for poisons was stupid too) so I'm confused why people want to go back to it but to each their own.

The weirdest bit to me though is the people in this thread who've been gone for months or years with no intention of returning but are taking time out of their day to respond and let folks know that they're still not coming back. Whatever you want to do with your free time though I guess.

[Deathquoi]

795 vs. 735 rings makes a huge difference - sometimes up to 20% of your DPS. And yes, as someone who mostly pugs, that matters a lot because I have to deal with a lot of raid leaders looking at my dps. I want to log in, kill bosses, and have my gear be equal to someone who's killed about the same number of bosses as me, not have it be, "well you have equal gear but you're behind him because he started in August and you started in October". That's dumb, and I think it will stop people from joining in October.

I mean, the entire purpose of the artifact system, and the legendary system before it, is to reward people for staying subbed and playing consistently. So they're not going to let people who don't play consistently catch up, otherwise why bother with it in the first place.

I'm fine with joining late and having my gear lag behind for a bit, that makes sense. But if I kill things quickly I'll catch up quickly. With the legendary, and I imagine the artifact, that's not going to happen, because the whole point is to punish people who don't stay subbed by putting them behind time gates.

I have to admire your commitment to believing this lie you've invented in your own mind.

[lanesia24]

Honestly just put the people that think the game was intentionally ruined and its going into maintenance on ignore. It'll do you a lot of good. Don't waste your time with such drivel.

[Vishy]

You probably havent played the Beta, have you? Legion is amazing.

[Taeldorian]

Judging by all the complete scrubs I've seen in 5-mans and Timewalking Dungeons(worse than usual) aswell as many people asking questions about old stuff, I have definitely seen a lot of people returning/new to the game.

A lot of people may not be hyped, but a lot of people are returning.

I have to agree. Ive seen a lot of people returning recently.

Think about it this way, everyone was hyped about WoD and built it up to be BC v2 and bam, it turned out to be shit. I know people are returning, Ive seen many old people from my server coming back and even more new people, but nobody is really hyping it due to what happened with WoD and its hype.

TLDR- The hype we as a community generated for WoD drove the sub numbers up, Blizzard created more hype off of that and almost every single person was let down later on. Theres a lot this time around waiting to see how Legion actually does, theres also a lot coming back and getting ready for launch, but nobody wants to be let down like that again so people are keeping the hype at a minimum. Thats what I think.

[PenguinChan]

Sure, I guess. Your avatar is pretty creepy

Depends on what you think its creepy, really. Actually curious!

[FelPlague]

Depends on what you think its creepy, really. Actually curious!

because your avatar is sexual(look at that shoulder roll.... droooooooool)... im pretty sure i know whats going on, also because i know what "gender" your avatar is and the stuff all behind it makes it more "creepy"

[Ealyssa]

Usually when pre-patch is about to hit the hype train starts and people start flooding back to WoW.

That actually never happend, not, a, single, time... I really don't know where you actually found this bullshit of a fact.

WoD return peak was after launch, like every expansion who saw a "returnin effect". Why the hell would people come back before the launch ? There is litteraly no point.

[FelPlague]

That actually never happend, not, a, single, time... I really don't know where you actually found this bullshit of a fact.

WoD return peak was after launch, like every expansion who saw a "returnin effect". Why the hell would people come back before the launch ? There is litteraly no point.

^^^^ the wod launch sub numbers barly whent up, but on launch... oh god.... OH GOD and that was why launch was horrid lag/dc/que time, cause blizz had no warning since it was pre-event (ok not too many people on, seems we can handle this) then all of a sudden (OH GOD 10 MILLION PEOPLE OH GOD)

[Bathory]

Hype af over here. I expect people to come during actual launch rather than currently, and pre-patch hasn't happened yet.

[Deleted]

All this talk about catching up on your Artifact...

Are we absolutely certain that Artifact Knowledge is some kind of global modifier to Artifact Power gain? So an item at launch gives 500AP, but the same item give 1000AP a couple months later without doing anything?

I always thought that Artifact Knowledge (i.e. AP gain increase) is controlled by your own progress, so that if you have gathered a lot of AP for one Artifact, you could catch up with your offspec one faster on the same character.

If anything, I thought it is something you have to put in motion and maintain with resources yourself to keep up. I.e. you can keep up Artifact Knowledge gain up on your alt, without actually playing a lot, and then when you do decide to switch you have a lot of Artifact Knowledge built up so leveling your artifact through AP gain is much faster.

Was I completely wrong in understanding?

[FelPlague]

All this talk about catching up on your Artifact...

Are we absolutely certain that Artifact Knowledge is some kind of global modifier to Artifact Power gain? So an item at launch gives 500AP, but the same item give 1000AP a couple months later without doing anything?

I always thought that Artifact Knowledge (i.e. AP gain increase) is controlled by your own progress, so that if you have gathered a lot of AP for one Artifact, you could catch up with your offspec one faster on the same character.

If anything, I thought it is something you have to put in motion and maintain with resources yourself to keep up. I.e. you can keep up Artifact Knowledge gain up on your alt, without actually playing a lot, and then when you do decide to switch you have a lot of Artifact Knowledge built up so leveling your artifact through AP gain is much faster.

Was I completely wrong in understanding?

what? i dont think you get how the system works...


so each 5 days( once you reach 110) you can receive a research to increase your AP obtained from AP items (some are not effected) and if you fall behind, lets say leave for a month, then start research, it may take 4 or 3 days, until you catch up, then return to 5 days per research, as they are reduced to help you catch up instead of massivly falling behind

and APK is char wide, not account wide, so getting 25 levels well leveling 1 artifact, if you then started another it would be much easier as it would require much much less artifact power items


and for alts, lets say you start a char, it requires 5 days to get each artifact knowlege, months and months later you make a alt, their APK would only take 1-5 days depending on how far behind you are, further you are behind, the less time it takes to catch up

[Mechazod]

I would love to start playing again before launch if I could just figure out why my internet has been fucked up since last October, but been too busy to actually get around to fixing it. I guess it was a good as time as any though for it to happen with WoD.

[Deleted]

what? i dont think you get how the system works...


so each 5 days( once you reach 110) you can receive a research to increase your AP obtained from AP items (some are not effected) and if you fall behind, lets say leave for a month, then start research, it may take 4 or 3 days, until you catch up, then return to 5 days per research, as they are reduced to help you catch up instead of massivly falling behind

and APK is char wide, not account wide, so getting 25 levels well leveling 1 artifact, if you then started another it would be much easier as it would require much much less artifact power items


and for alts, lets say you start a char, it requires 5 days to get each artifact knowlege, months and months later you make a alt, their APK would only take 1-5 days depending on how far behind you are, further you are behind, the less time it takes to catch up

Alright, thanks for the explaination! Was indeed not clear on how it worked.

So I guess it is a matter of how quick the catch up is and if you can stack 'backlogged' research indefinitely.

Still, it would be beneficial to keep an alt up to date with the 5-day research, would it not? Even if you are not really playing it. No backlog is better than a quick catch-up backlog

[beanman12345]

Eh if it was one of the other 2 sisters, it'd be way creepier.

[Frandaero]

You probably havent played the Beta, have you? Legion is amazing.

What have you found to be amazing in Legion? Asking from plain curiosity by the way

[FelPlague]

Alright, thanks for the explaination! Was indeed not clear on how it worked.

So I guess it is a matter of how quick the catch up is and if you can stack 'backlogged' research indefinitely.

Still, it would be beneficial to keep an alt up to date with the 5-day research, would it not? Even if you are not really playing it. No backlog is better than a quick catch-up backlog

no, you can stack 2 research qued at a time, so no, and no not really, until we do the math, or how much time you want to play, it seems like its better to 100% focus on one toon, then months later when you do want a alt, the APK will be much faster, allowing you to catch up quickly

much better focus main at the start, alt later, then split your time at launch on 2 toons...