Well after Trump's speech last night, Bernie supporters will flock to Hillary..

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I doubt it. Donald Trump's speech was amazing.

Most Bernie supporters weren't just supporters of Bernie, they rejected wholeheartedly the corruption and dishonesty of Hillary Clinton.

Almost every analysis I have seen says Hillary has almost no support of Bernie Supporters, who are more willing to vote Third Party or for Donald Trump.

Keep dreaming though.

If there's one person more corrupt and dishonest than Hillary in this race, it's Trump.

If there's one person in the race who's more anti Bernie, it's Trump.

Voting against Hillary won't fix the corruption, it's only going to make it worse.

[zorkuus]

and right or wrong thats what I want to hear from the people running. IDEA'S not well um lets see um

Bad ideas isn't a better alternative than no ideas.

[Breccia]

Trump has never declared bankruptcy... companies he either owned or participated in has. Get it straight cause when you get it wrong you look stupid.

Um...those are called Chapter 11, or company, bankruptcies. Saying "it wasn't him that went bankrupt, it was only the companies he ran!" is no reason to call Shift stupid.

How's that Trump University case going, by the way? And the eight years of federal audits? And the other 120 currently open lawsuits and the businesses he chose to be a part of?

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Fearmongering? I watched the entire rnc, and damn, I have never felt so good. It was heartwarming and inspirational. The only colors that matter are red, white and blue.

[Pangean]

Um...those are called Chapter 11, or company, bankruptcies. Saying "it wasn't him that went bankrupt, it was only the companies he ran!" is no reason to call Shift stupid.

How's that Trump University case going, by the way? And the eight years of federal audits? And the other 120 currently open lawsuits and the businesses he chose to be a part of?

Well here's a great example of the type of scam's Trump is engaged in.

Judge orders Trump to pay nearly $300,000 in attorney’s fees in Doral painter’s lawsuit

While developer Donald Trump was busy getting the Republican Party’s presidential nomination this week, he was losing big in a Miami-Dade County courtroom.

Circuit Court Judge Jorge Cueto, presiding over a lawsuit related to unpaid bills brought by a local paint store against the Trump National Doral Miami golf resort, ordered the billionaire politician’s company to pay the Doral-based mom-and-pop shop nearly $300,000 in attorney’s fees.

All because, according to the lawsuit, Trump allegedly tried to stiff The Paint Spot on its last payment of $34,863 on a $200,000 contract for paint used in the renovation of the home of golf’s famed Blue Monster two years ago.

Trump National’s insistence that it had “paid enough” for the paint despite a contract, according to the lawsuit, caused The Paint Spot to slap a lien on the property and Cueto to order the foreclosure sale of the resort.

In time, Donald Trump’s company got the judge to cancel the June 28 courthouse auction after it placed the $34,000 in escrow, and the case was put on hold while Trump National’s owner, Trump Endeavor, considered an appeal.

But the lien remained.

And Cueto was asked to rule on the fees for The Paint Spot’s three $500-an-hour attorneys and two $150-an-hour paralegals that lawsuit loser Trump Endeavor will have to pay.

The golf company, according to the court file, objected to the hourly rates because it paid its lawyers $400 an hour, according to court records.

This week, Cueto ruled that the fees were reasonable, and then some.

First, he ruled Trump should pay for nearly 500 hours of legal work, since the store’s legal team had to prepare for a trial that never took place.

Then, Cueto tacked on a 75 percent “risk” fee, partly because the store’s lawyers took the risk that they would never be paid if they lost.

Total: $282,949 and 91 cents, including copying and expert testimony.

“I’m happy I have a judgment,” said Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot. “But he [Trump] hasn’t paid yet.

“You know how he says he’ll surround himself with the greatest people if he is president? In this case, he might not be surrounded by the right people.”

Trump bought the property in 2012 for $150 million then launched into a major renovation.

Alan Garten, Trump’s in-house lawyer, didn’t return a call for comment.

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertain...#storylink=cpy

[Breccia]

Fearmongering? I watched the entire rnc, and damn, I have never felt so good. It was heartwarming and inspirational.

"Our Convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. The attacks on our police, and the terrorism in our cities, threaten our very way of life. "

"The number of police officers killed in the line of duty has risen by almost 50% compared to this point last year. Nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records, ordered deported from our country, are tonight roaming free to threaten peaceful citizens."

"Decades of progress made in bringing down crime are now being reversed by this Administration’s rollback of criminal enforcement. Homicides last year increased by 17% in America’s fifty largest cities. That’s the largest increase in 25 years. In our nation’s capital, killings have risen by 50 percent. They are up nearly 60% in nearby Baltimore."

"The number of new illegal immigrant families who have crossed the border so far this year already exceeds the entire total from 2015. They are being released by the tens of thousands into our communities with no regard for the impact on public safety or resources. One such border-crosser was released and made his way to Nebraska. There, he ended the life of an innocent young girl named Sarah Root. She was 21-years-old, and was killed the day after graduating from college with a 4.0 Grade Point Average. Number one in her class. Her killer was then released a second time, and he is now a fugitive from the law."

"Now let us consider the state of affairs abroad. Not only have our citizens endured domestic disaster, but they have lived through one international humiliation after another. One after another. We all remember the images of our sailors being forced to their knees by their Iranian captors at gunpoint. This was just prior to the signing of the Iran deal, which gave back to Iran $150 billion and gave us absolutely nothing – it will go down in history as one of the worst deals ever made."

"America is far less safe – and the world is far less stable – than when Obama made the decision to put Hillary Clinton in charge of America’s foreign policy."

" In 2009, pre-Hillary, ISIS was not even on the map. Libya was cooperating stable. Egypt was peaceful. Iraq was seeing a big, big reduction in violence. Iran was being choked by sanctions. Syria was somewhat under control. After four years of Hillary Clinton, what do we have? ISIS has spread across the region, and the world. Libya is in ruins, and our Ambassador and his staff were left helpless to die at the hands of savage killers. Egypt was turned over to the radical Muslim brotherhood, forcing the military to retake control."

"Iraq is in chaos. Iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. Syria is engulfed in a civil war and a refugee crisis that now threatens the West. After fifteen years of wars in the Middle East, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worse than it has ever been before. This is the legacy of Hillary Clinton: death, destruction, terrorism and weakness."

"The irresponsible rhetoric of our President, who has used the pulpit of the presidency to divide us by race and color, has made America a more dangerous environment for everyone than frankly I have ever seen and anybody in this room has ever watched or seen." Especially this hyperbole.

"Yet Hillary Clinton is proposing mass amnesty, mass immigration, and mass lawlessness. "

Say you like it all you want. To deny that it was fearmongering, however, is going to be difficult.

You can find the full text here.

You can find the Politifact discussion here. Was it all true? No. Was it all false? No. He was, however, provably less truthful with his comments about fear, crime and terrorism (things he has no experience with) than his comments about money and the economy (which he does have some experience dealing with).

[Arthas242]

Yeah the supporters of one of the most liberal candidate in ages are going to flock to one of the most conservative one.

Trump is not that conservative....

his tax plan is a PROGRESSIVE TIERED TAX goes from 0%-25% every 5% based on income level, and your only taxed 5% on the first tier and any income after that tier is 10% and so on......, it is only conservative to liberals because 100% of payers will see a tax decrease while he will try to screw over wallstreet.....which i am sure bernie sanders supports can agree with.

and the current governement is to wasteful to deserve our money imo.....(left and right)


hate to tell you their is more about trump that Bernie sanders supports can agree with then Hillary.

Trump is a centrist, he is pulling people from both sides into the middle, it is why both democrats and republicans fear him because he is not a wacko lefty or righty.

it;s why republicans go after him because of his tax plan/wallstreet/banks

it;s why democrats go after him on a secure border cause racist bigotry/Banks still

Trump knows how to "STIR" the pot

also last i heard/read/saw 30-40% bernie supports would go for trump, 30-40% would not vote at all or go 3rd party, 20-30% would go Hillary. THAT IS NOT looking good for hillary....

also i think Bernie is more of a threat to Trump then Hillary... that is just how bad Hillary is, hell i be even willing to vote Bernie if the republicans got Bush in..... ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM!

[tankbug]

Stop calling them Bernie supporters, they never supported him, they were just anti-Hillary.

I agree! If they support Trump and republican politics instead of Hillary, they are certainly not liberal, they're just angry and blind.

[zorkuus]

also last i heard/read/saw 30-40% bernie supports would go for trump, 30-40% would not vote at all or go 3rd party, 20-30% would go Hillary. THAT IS NOT looking good for hillary....

I keep hearing this. The last person to make the claim provided sources that infact showed the opposite. 20% Trump, nearly half to Clinton.

So again... source please.

Trump is a centrist

He is a very opportunistic rightwinger. I don't think even he can keep track of his flip flopping.

[Fahrenheit]

I doubt it. Donald Trump's speech was amazing.

Most Bernie supporters weren't just supporters of Bernie, they rejected wholeheartedly the corruption and dishonesty of Hillary Clinton.

Almost every analysis I have seen says Hillary has almost no support of Bernie Supporters, who are more willing to vote Third Party or for Donald Trump.

Keep dreaming though.

Nigga, you crazy.

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Trump has never declared bankruptcy... companies he either owned or participated in has. Get it straight cause when you get it wrong you look stupid.

Its irrelevant wether its the man or the company that goes bankrupt. Either went bankrupt 4 times because of shit management.
And that guys is gonna give you 2 lunches, no wait, the best trade deals evah! And the mexicans are gonna pay for it.. I heard they already gave their word.

[Lenonis]

Yes! YES! All those CHRISTIANS doing... all those THINGS... to the LGBT community! Like not baking cakes and we musn't forget CHICK FIL A! Getting your head chopped off or getting thrown off a building PALES in comparison to the horrid discrimination of CHRISTIAN BIGOTS!

Must be nice living in a bubble so think you think the worst thing that happens to LGBT people in the US is not getting a cake made.

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keep anticipating

At least I've been giving reasons why I think the way I do. The best I get from the counter view is "because".

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I especially liked how he's going to protect the lgbtq community from foreign oppression and violence. No mention of domestic ones tho. Yep, we're the only ones allowed to beat down our gay Americans, can't let those foreigners take away our jobs.

Especially since his VP pick is the poster child for domestic LGBT terrorism.

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sad thing is Trump only has to win 11 states to get to 271 electoral votes, Yes its a reach to get them but 11 think about that for a moment

That kind of statement without context isn't really saying much. You could also say that Hillary only needs to win Florida to win given the blue wall. So Hillary only needs 1 state to win!

[alexw]

Trump is not that conservative....

his tax plan is a PROGRESSIVE TIERED TAX goes from 0%-25% every 5% based on income level, and your only taxed 5% on the first tier and any income after that tier is 10% and so on......, it is only conservative to liberals because 100% of payers will see a tax decrease while he will try to screw over wallstreet.....which i am sure bernie sanders supports can agree with.

and the current governement is to wasteful to deserve our money imo.....(left and right)


hate to tell you their is more about trump that Bernie sanders supports can agree with then Hillary.

Trump is a centrist, he is pulling people from both sides into the middle, it is why both democrats and republicans fear him because he is not a wacko lefty or righty.

it;s why republicans go after him because of his tax plan/wallstreet/banks

it;s why democrats go after him on a secure border cause racist bigotry/Banks still

Trump knows how to "STIR" the pot

also last i heard/read/saw 30-40% bernie supports would go for trump, 30-40% would not vote at all or go 3rd party, 20-30% would go Hillary. THAT IS NOT looking good for hillary....

also i think Bernie is more of a threat to Trump then Hillary... that is just how bad Hillary is, hell i be even willing to vote Bernie if the republicans got Bush in..... ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM!

Oh Jesus.....

Let me explain to you how the taxation system works. Currently it is redistributive. That means if you are in the bottom 70% or so of earners you get far more out than you put in. So someone earning $50K for every dollar of tax he pays gets $1.50 dollars of direct and indirect payments. So medicare or medicaid, SS when they retire, roads and law enforcement, etc, etc.

This is why the rich love tax cuts and endlessly push for more of them. The expenditure cuts that come with tax cuts undo this redistribution. So for every $1 of Trump tax cuts the average person will be between $1-2 dollars worse off, and if you are poor you will be up to $5 worse off! While if you are in the top 0.1% of earners you will be hundreds of thousands of dollars better off!

Trump's tax plan is EXTREMELY EXTREMELY regressive and takes from the poor and average to give to the rich like all republican tax cuts do.

[Orlong]

That was a month ago and with the Kaine selection you are going to see a big exodus of Bernie supporters from Clinton camp.

Bernie supporters would have fled en masse no matter who she picked unless she picked Bernie, and now that Wikileaks leaked those emails that were hacked from the DNC showing that the DNC deliberately tried to derail Bernie's campaign (which most people already suspected), very few of them will support Crooked Hillary and Corrupt Kaine

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Nigga, you crazy.

Ample evidence in terms of polls and interviews, not to mentioned the newly released DNC E-mail links.

After those e-mail links and the corruption between the DNC and Hillary Clinton to tarnish and trash Sanders and his supporters, I don't see Sanders Supporters ever voting for Hillary.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...6#post41535596

[Mafic]

Bernie supports would have fled en masse no matter who she picked unless she picked Bernie, and now that Wikileaks leaked those emails that were hacked from the DNC showing that the DNC deliberately tried to derail Bernie's campaign (which most people already suspected), very few of them will support Crooked Hillary and Corrupt Kaine

Kaine is the biggest win for Trump as this will lead to apathetic Democratic base. Independents are not going to be convinced by Clinton with a MIC and big bank lobbyist like Kane. Plus, if Clinton tries to play I am for big business card with Kaine she will lose going up against Trump's biggest strength.

All Trump has to say is that I used to give you money to do my bidding and it will sink Hillary faster than the Titanic.

[Orlong]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-letter-225953
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...egulation.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7...-the-party-WTF

Not only did she pick a corporate politician but a right wing one too! More right wing than Trump. That is impressive!

The main reason she picked him is because he speaks fluent Spanish very good so he can pander to the Hispanics

[alturic]

The main reason she picked him is because he speaks fluent Spanish very good so he can pander to the Hispanics

And this is why people support Trump and/or dislike immigrants. We're in the US, where the primary language used to be English, not having to hit 1 for English.

I have no problem with immigrants, but learn the easiest language when you come to our country.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

Right, Sanders supporters flocking to the DNC and Hillary.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/wikile...ate-fec-jvf/5/

Clinton Surrogate reduced polling locations after Bernie Sanders led in polls, leaked E-Mail shows.

[Mafic]

The main reason she picked him is because he speaks fluent Spanish very good so he can pander to the Hispanics

She could have went with Castro and had additional benefits with the Castro pick. The problem is Kaine is the type of VP that will not motivate Independents or sway them toward her. Independents don't think highly of Pence, but Kaine is at the bottom of the barrel as well.

Kaine = Reinforces Clinton's message of pro TPP and pro Big Banks but doesn't hide her weaknesses.
Pence + Adds to Trump's message and is a conservative.

Trump made the right choice to cover up his weakness with the Republican base which Cruze tried to exploit with his one last thrust at the convention but failed. Kaine is a big middle finger to Warren supporters and Bernie supporters. Kaine wants to undo the hardwork that Warren has done to keep the big banks from forming another bubble.