Legion - Assassination Discussion

[Sicarius87]

In assassination, I don't seem to have enough energy to envenom. Everything goes to maintaining bleeds. Am I doing something wrong? ilvl 705

Run subterfuge, open with garrote, hemo, cheap shot if you're able to if not mutilate, rupture, exsang, refresh garrote and rupture, mutilate to 5cp envenom. You will have to pool energy some

[Keiyra]

Question on Exsanguinate. If you refresh bleeds after exsanguinate, do they still have the 400% increased speed?

Ive just been trying to put up fresh bleeds, then hitting exsang.

Edit: I think the post below answers it, thanks

[seamusmc]

Run subterfuge, open with garrote, hemo, cheap shot if you're able to if not mutilate, rupture, exsang, refresh garrote and rupture, mutilate to 5cp envenom. You will have to pool energy some

^ this.

Exsang gives us a moment of burst, not just because of the compressed time for the bleeds but because we still get energy from the ticks at the faster rate. You should get at least one or two additional 5 pt Envenoms off as a result. Do not refresh garrote or rupture during exsang, it prematurely ends the effect. Remember to refresh garrote and rupture after the effect or you will end up more energy starved than you should be.

Additionally one of the traits on the artifact gives refills our energy when we use Vendetta, so time its use well. If you are using the Stratagem talent try Vigor instead.

Otherwise we use Envenom a lot less than previous iterations of the spec.

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Question on Exsanguinate. If you refresh bleeds after exsanguinate, do they still have the 400% increased speed?

Ive just been trying to put up fresh bleeds, then hitting exsang.

I think you worded it a little oddly. I think you are asking if we can refresh a bleed during exsanguinate. No we cannot. If you do, it ends exsanguinate prematurely.

Like you've been doing, try to have at least a fresh rupture before exsang. Get the bleeds back up asap after exsang ends.

[Deleted]

When I start PvP it says My stats been adjusted to predetermed stats based on my specialisation. Why do i then get haste and mastery who is close to usless?

[shaunika123]

When I start PvP it says My stats been adjusted to predetermed stats based on my specialisation. Why do i then get haste and mastery who is close to usless?

because blizzard's intricate and carefully crafted template system just gives you equal of all 4 stats.

[Wow]

When I start PvP it says My stats been adjusted to predetermed stats based on my specialisation. Why do i then get haste and mastery who is close to usless?

Because they don't actually tune the stats unless they want to nerf a spec like sub's, assassin just has the standard same amount of every stat you get.

Just remember any good you think may come of the pvp changes are really just making it worse.

[Xanatu]

My worry is that Assassin due to scaling will have hard to keep up with other spec after ilvls go up and you sitting there stuck with a spec and have to re lvl a artifact weapon. The artifact weapons are a interesting feature, to go deeper into your spec. But as it look now I can't stop worry you will make the wrong decision and be forced to relvl another spec to keep up in dmg. How do ppl like you Ippon/Xanatu who raid in high lvl guilds reason around the choice of spec with Legion incoming?

I really don't like sub so I'm kind of trying to avoid it at all costs. If it ends up better, I'll play it, but I'm going all-in on assassination.

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I really don't like sub so I'm kind of trying to avoid it at all costs. If it ends up better, I'll play it, but I'm going all-in on assassination.

So with al in you mean, you won't even lvl a sec spec artifact till assa proves to be not superior anymore ?

[Deleted]

because sinister calling was the single worst mechanic ever introduced into this game

and exsanguinate isnt OP at all in pvp, it's only 200% there and barely noticable, even in pve on 110 it wont be the best talent on higher gear levels, balancing around level 100 is dumb, exsanguinate is the only thing that makes assa fun to play again

Yeah Exsanguinate is fun, but it is really stupid and Op in PvP, PvE is the only viable line and I talk lvl110 because I have access to the BETA.
Then the idea of Sinister Calling for Assassination can be nice as this allow better dps constant and better regen energy.

[shaunika123]

Yeah Exsanguinate is fun, but it is really stupid and Op in PvP, PvE is the only viable line and I talk lvl110 because I have access to the BETA.
Then the idea of Sinister Calling for Assassination can be nice as this allow better dps constant and better regen energy.

i have beta too and agonizing outperforms exsang on high gear levels

trust me.

and assa isnt even the best rogue spec in pvp since they nerfed exsang it barely ticks faster it's only 200% speed and not 400%.

DFA killing spree with shark infested waters is way better burst.

[Valentyn]

i have beta too and agonizing outperforms exsang on high gear levels

trust me.

and assa isnt even the best rogue spec in pvp since they nerfed exsang it barely ticks faster it's only 200% speed and not 400%.

So in Beta at raid gear levels, say 850 does Assa play more old WoD assa, with Envenom rotation being more important than Rupture/bleeds? Does our Mastery for Poisons kick in well then?

[shaunika123]

So in Beta at raid gear levels, say 850 does Assa play more old WoD assa, with Envenom rotation being more important than Rupture/bleeds? Does our Mastery for Poisons kick in well then?

rupture will still be #1 in our damage but envenom does climb up thanks to the 4pc setbonus and the fact that we have more energy from 2pc setbonus

but yes, after we get out 4pc setbonus assa will play more like old assa

[Deleted]

I love this spec, but i won't be able to play it due to it's lack of control.

I don't know why they chose to remove gouge/blind but it kills the spec. Outlaws and Sub do ten times the job of assa. More mobility, survivability, control.

They need to add something. Maybe a maim mechanic where bleeds can tick through an incapacitate.

[Deleted]

Oh man, I really hate Agonizing ... hoped to ditch this damn shitty talent ... time will tell

[Deleted]

Would anyone be able to help me out with some basic macros for assassination pvp? I am new to rogue and I am wondering what are some key macros to help melt targets.

Thanks!

[Izenhart]

Yeah Exsanguinate is fun, but it is really stupid and Op in PvP, PvE is the only viable line and I talk lvl110 because I have access to the BETA.

Assassination right now does disgusting single target damage, higher than any other spec I tried

[Hevn93]

Got a question about Exsanguinate and Pandemic passive thing.

Should you always go after the bonus seconds you get from refreshing a rupture early before hitting exsanguinate? Even in an opening situation?

I am using the deeper stratagem talent and when i refresh Rupture early it goes from 28 secs to 36 secs. But i am unsure if its worth using 12 combo points for just that in the opener.

[Deleted]

I'm sad that Shadowmeld -> Rupture doesn't apply the damage buff from Nightstalker, even tho Shadowmeld let's Subtlety use Shadowstrike :/

[Woofu]

Do we know what the best pathing is for the artifact weapon? Which keystone should we head towards first? The bonus rupture damage in the bottom left?

[Fheng]

Do we know what the best pathing is for the artifact weapon? Which keystone should we head towards first? The bonus rupture damage in the bottom left?

From my personal experience on beta and from what i have seen, The Bag of Tricks one is the best to go towards first as it does a lot of damage and its consistent as we obviously use envenom a lot and it provides us with good aoe as we can fan envenom and drop that AoE poison so to me it seems like a good logical first choice but i could be wrong if someone has any other ideas. I have also been wondering the answer to this question myself i mean obviously we are going to have all of them at one point but early on it does take awhile to get to your second and third one and to fill out your first weapon so it is a pretty important choice to make.