[Guardian] Legion Discussion

[Braindwen]

Running Galactic Guardian+Rend and Tear? GG in particular is a mandatory talent for any kind of affinity DPS.

Assuming you've got both of those talents, here's a combat log of a bearcat rotation. You can see what the damage breakdown looks like and compare it to yours, see if you're doing a good job with bleeds and stuff.

[Selerian]

The rotations posted I 'm guessing are purely theoretical right? There's not gonna be an actual situation where we'll be able to use that rotation unless we are not actually tanking at all, in which case we should just play a pure dps spec.

[Nevcairiel]

The rotations posted I 'm guessing are purely theoretical right? There's not gonna be an actual situation where we'll be able to use that rotation unless we are not actually tanking at all, in which case we should just play a pure dps spec.

If one boss has tank swaps, you can use it while not actively tanking for max dps.

[fanghorn83]

Brambles is deceptively powerful. It works on EVERY hit, and it both absorbs and reflects that damage. It is actually pretty potent on lots of low hitting mobs. In dungeons it actually adds up to a pretty significant portion of your damage. That said, it's not really chosen for defensive reasons... it's the best (only, really) dps option in that tier. If you don't need more survivability, you go brambles.

Frenzied regen isn't the same ability it was. Every existing tank had it's self healing gutted except DKs (because that's their thing) and DHs (because they are new). You have to think about it totally differently. If the content you are doing is trivial... FR will be trivial. It's only really strong when you're getting absolutely trucked. Also, it gets MUCH better with artifact traits, and the legendary boots if you get them. Also make sure you pick Guardian of Elune as your talent and use FR wisely. there are a few WA's to track it's heal so you know the best time to hit it.

Thanks for the response! Much appreciated. I have been looking for decent WA's for that exact reason but I can't find anything solid. Have you got a paste bin?

[zurm]

Thanks for the response! Much appreciated. I have been looking for decent WA's for that exact reason but I can't find anything solid. Have you got a paste bin?

Sure, this thread on these forums has one such weak aura.

[Gemini Soul]

If one boss has tank swaps, you can use it while not actively tanking for max dps.

It works but you have to plan ahead rage wise, because on tank swap fights you should be taunting when you have a full rage bar and an IF up already and swapping forms sets you at 20 rage.

[Gorgodeus]

wait, power shift is back?

EDIT: Checked it out on both Prepatch and Beta. I can't powershift man.

No, there is no Power Shifting. Power Shifting is using a macro that shifts you out of a form and back into it so fast, you never see the caster form that is in between. Now when you shift, you have a 5 second CD before you can shift back into that same form.

[CenariusTheForestLord]

No, there is no Power Shifting. Power Shifting is using a macro that shifts you out of a form and back into it so fast, you never see the caster form that is in between. Now when you shift, you have a 5 second CD before you can shift back into that same form.

As has been adressed in the posts before. It is currently possible to power shift again. You can't manually shift out and back in because of a 1.5 GCD lock. But using the powershift macro linked above it does indeed work.

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If one boss has tank swaps, you can use it while not actively tanking for max dps.

I've been tanking in cat form during HOTW for ages. Why stop now?

[Kujako]

As has been adressed in the posts before. It is currently possible to power shift again. You can't manually shift out and back in because of a 1.5 GCD lock. But using the powershift macro linked above it does indeed work.

Any point to it? The original idea was that we healed a fair amount when shifting in and out of bear form due to the health pool size change, now, not so much.

[Gemini Soul]

Any point to it? The original idea was that we healed a fair amount when shifting in and out of bear form due to the health pool size change, now, not so much.

It breaks Root/Snares and generates 20 rage.

[Gorgodeus]

As has been adressed in the posts before. It is currently possible to power shift again. You can't manually shift out and back in because of a 1.5 GCD lock. But using the powershift macro linked above it does indeed work.

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I've been tanking in cat form during HOTW for ages. Why stop now?

Any idea if there is an new macro to be able to Powershift, no matter what form one is in? The old one does not work anymore.

[Kujako]

Any idea if there is an new macro to be able to Powershift, no matter what form one is in? The old one does not work anymore.

Should be able to use the form modifiers to power-shift into the form you're in.

Something like...

#showtooltip
/cast [form:1] !Bear Form(Shapeshift)
/cast [form:2] !Cat Form(Shapeshift)

etc...

Edit: Tested the above and it works.

[Gorgodeus]

Should be able to use the form modifiers to power-shift into the form you're in.

Something like...

#showtooltip
/cast [form:1] !Bear Form(Shapeshift)
/cast [form:2] !Cat Form(Shapeshift)

etc...

Edit: Tested the above and it works.

Ah nm... Apparently, Blizzard reverted the changes and now old school Powershifting is back. My old macros are working again.

[Kujako]

Ah nm... Apparently, Blizzard reverted the changes and now old school Powershifting is back. My old macros are working again.

I doubt it'll last... I already hear the crying about not being able to stop a Druid in PvP (though it could just be echoes from last time).

[Braindwen]

The rotations posted I 'm guessing are purely theoretical right? There's not gonna be an actual situation where we'll be able to use that rotation unless we are not actually tanking at all, in which case we should just play a pure dps spec.

Basically yes, but the underlying gameplay of "shift to cat for ~5s at a time when not tanking to gain damage" is something we can use. The full rotation just gives us an idea of whether we'll actually gain DPS from it, and is something to practice for that odd fight where we only tank 20% of it.

I've been tanking in cat form during HOTW for ages. Why stop now?

Legion changed crit immunity a bit, has been tied to guardian spec for at least WoD (I think MoP too), but is now tied to bear form. Or, more simply, we're crittable in cat form again.

(I know that was rhetorical, but still worth mentioning that we absolutely can't safely tank in cat anymore ).

[Cede]

Any point to it? The original idea was that we healed a fair amount when shifting in and out of bear form due to the health pool size change, now, not so much.

The original purpose is in the title "power" shifting. We were doing it to generate range/energy.

[Deleted]

Pulverize Vs Rend and Tear, what are peoples thoughts on this?

[Neemo]

Pulverize Vs Rend and Tear, what are peoples thoughts on this?

At a glance Rend and Tear seems strictly better no? Sure 6% is slightly lower than 8% but you increase dps too and don't have to stop stacks.

[Deleted]

I was thinking the same thing. I find pulverize more interesting though, one more button to press at least and if you have a group of adds with Thrash ticking away on you can actually tab target and spam the shit out of Pulverize which gives lots of nice numbers, not sure if thats more deeps than spamming swipe in between thrash/Mangle/GG procs though.

[Kujako]

I went for Rend & Tear, however it almost feels as if we are balanced around the assumption of taking that one and having three stacks going... otherwise, our threat feels low and we take too much damage compared to other tanks. Unless that's just me... but it feels like we're running at around 5-10% deficiency compared to the other tanking classes right now.