2016 Democratic National Convention - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - July 25-28

[eschatological]

Like I said when the Tea Party arose - I think people in that reactionary front recognize they would not have much power, if any, if they were to form their own party. So they will continue to try and co-opt the GOP for their own purposes. The question is whether these philosophically Republican base which you say still exists can purge themselves of that element, or whether they've become the part of the party which will be purged.

The problem is that there is indeed enough of these reactionary nationalists to co-opt the GOP. Do they have the majority to make themselves the party itself? I hope not. I heard Anthony Weiner tonight say that he couldn't believe he was yearning for the days of the William Buckleys - he disagreed with Buckley, thought he was wrong, but Buckley was always thoughtful - in the sense of he put thought behind his beliefs.

[Skroe]

Like I said when the Tea Party arose - I think people in that reactionary front recognize they would not have much power, if any, if they were to form their own party. So they will continue to try and co-opt the GOP for their own purposes. The question is whether these philosophically Republican base which you say still exists can purge themselves of that element, or whether they've become the part of the party which will be purged.

The problem is that there is indeed enough of these reactionary nationalists to co-opt the GOP. Do they have the majority to make themselves the party itself? I hope not. I heard Anthony Weiner tonight say that he couldn't believe he was yearning for the days of the William Buckleys - he disagreed with Buckley, thought he was wrong, but Buckley was always thoughtful - in the sense of he put thought behind his beliefs.

I don't think so. I think they're very vocal and have a powerful way of selling their message, but most Republicans voters, even the ones voting for Trump, when push come to shove, do not share the majority of the reactionary front's point of view.

People are extremely riled up. Let me show you something.




I took this the other day when I was cleaning up my Grandmother's iPad. This, in my view, explains a huge part of Donald Trump. A huge part of a lot of stuff.

Technology and the internet is everywhere, and hundreds of millions of people are being so called "better informed" than ever before. But I've come to firmly believe that much of this "better informed" is in fact, unsuitable and causing psychological damage.

Here in this picture we have something my 75 year old grandmother, from Mexico, was blasted by three seperate news apps simultaneously. They all report something absolutely horrific... something that happened on the actual other side of the planet. Not to take away from the severity of the events, and how it effects the lives of people in Japan, but why is my 75 year old grandmother being exposed to horror that is happening on the other side of the world? Is her life better for this? Is she "more informed"?

I do not believe most people are equipped to deal with this kind of thing. To deal with the machine gun of horror that the 24 hour news cycle is firing at them. Of course people think ISIS is the greatest threat to the human race since the Nazis, when we've had two years of regularly hearing about their rapist / murderer army committing atrocities... again, on the other side of the planet, in the middle of the desert, to, when all is said and done, not a huge number of people in a rather isolated area.

There is no context to what people are seeing and hearing every day. And this is from the Guardian, BBC and AP. Imagine if people have more right-ward media sources on their phones or something. It'll be this, magnified.

It is no wonder people think the world is falling apart. When they get barraged with horror three times a times every time a bus drives off a mountain in Peru, every time some kid goes on a shooting spree in Europe, every time the North Korea threaten doom upon Seoul, what else are they supposed to think? They're not international affairs specialists or CIA analysts. THey're moms, dads trying to lead a good, decent life and worried about their kids or grandchildren. They just want to the world to not fall apart and they're vulnerable to anyone who says "I will solve this!".

This makes them prey for predatory people on the far right who have for long before the rise of the internet, known to capitalize on fear for their own benefit. That is why I think in the end, when Trump is rejected, a more moderate and philosophical Republican Party will re-emerge - because I think many people who support him have been driven to it.

The good news is, with his loss, he's going to destroy a lot of careers and a lot of people. Take Rush Limbaugh for instance. A powerful figure in the right historically... he, along with Sean Hannity and unlike Erick Erickson and Glenn Beck, supports Donald Trump. When Donald Trump loses, given the support the two former figures have shown him, it's going to be a hammer blow to their ability to dictate what conservatives should believe in and should do. That is not to say that Glenn Beck and Erick Erickson are much better, but it is to say that there are alternatives who will capitalize on his defeat to replace him. That is going to be the model. With Roger Ailes out of Fox News, don't be surprised if Sean Hannity, post Trump, is gone too, before too long.

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Yesterday I was complaining about how the speakers thus far at that point that night had been 100% fake, and now I watched Biden and Obama's speeches after the fact, and I have to say those guys are real. So to anyone who was complaining about what I said about people being fake, they were. Biden, and to a lesser extent Obama, were examples of who's real, and not some manufactured, plastic doll spouting robotic bullshit. Biden especially is an exemplary example of someone who isn't trying to peddle BS.

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Also, as far as "unity" goes...



http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nal-convention
http://www.aol.com/article/2016/07/2...rner/21440235/
http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...ders-surrogate

[Alydael]

And yet you (assuming you are) expect Trump to do anything he says if this is what you'er basing Obama on?

I think Trump will try to do what he says, I don't expect the same from most politicians.

Will he be able to succeed? That depends on a ton of factors such as: who he picks for his cabinet, how the two parties fare in the other parts of the election (Congress, etc), the international situation (terrorism, etc) and the domestic situation (cop killings, unrest, etc). If Trump is smart, he will start off his Presidency with some small, easy victories- just to build confidence and momentum. I am certain he will face a lot of resistance on some of his policies, such as the wall.

I do believe that Trump will honestly try to do what he says though- I don't believe Obama actually tried. I think he made a million promises during the campaign, then implemented his own agenda when he got to the White House (a typical, untrustworthy politician).

[Shadowferal]

oh look, last night a coffin was thrown over a security fence;

[Alydael]

Yea, that's what I was asking. Not what he thought of Giuliana the presidential candidate but mainly how the city ran, sort of, under him as mayor, but you say he wasn't there for that. Just curious, thanks.

I was in NYC for Guilliani, Bloomberg and currently. The city ran great under Gulianni, but the police precensce was notable. A lot of tickets were handed out. There was basically little chance of getting away with even a minor infraction. The police were nice, sort of like "sorry, but we have to give you this ticket" but they were everywhere.

As for Bloomberg, city ran great but it became very costly. I think he raised most of the tickets, taxes and tolls multiple times. He was a little too tough with fines on small businesses etc and he was a little too "nanny" state for me (the soda tax and all). I don't want a nanny/ big brother politician.

As for De Blasio- he is absolutely terrible. It is very clear that he is in way over his head and I expect him to be a one term pony. In NYC, being the target it is- the mayor just can not have a bad relationship with the police. It is very important that they are on the same page. De Blasio: is fighting with police, fighting with Cuomo (governor) and is under multiple federal investigations. I don't expect to see much more of him.

[Deleted]

PROOF: "Seat filling" delegate's place if they leave their seats.

Woman gets a guy to admit that he is a paid seat filler. Party unity narrative out the window!

[TZucchini]

PROOF: "Seat filling" delegate's place if they leave their seats.

Woman gets a guy to admit that he is a paid seat filler. Party unity narrative out the window!

Well, there it is. Incontrovertible proof. I mean, no would just lie like that, would they?

But either way, seat filing is a pretty standard practice at large televised events.

[Wildtree]

PROOF: "Seat filling" delegate's place if they leave their seats.

Woman gets a guy to admit that he is a paid seat filler. Party unity narrative out the window!

Time stamp of the tweet, 11:33 pm.
What time? EST? CST? PST?
Either way, late towards the end of the event or even after it.
The only ones during the day leaving are those few bed wetters from the Bernie or Bust camp, and no one needs them anyway.

[Deleted]

Well, there it is. Incontrovertible proof. I mean, no would just lie like that, would they?

But either way, seat filing is a pretty standard practice at large televised events.

Keep playing the denier, democrats are having a political fight inside their own party!

I'm in disbelief that this is real footage of #DNCinPHL right now.

Protest and violence outside the DNC!

ps: Mainstream media still silent, I guess they didn't get their memo from Hillary to report anyhting yet.

[Tijuana]

It probably will. THe problem is that there are far too many people, even among the rank and file (see the other threads here) who call themselves conservatives who really aren't. They're anti-progressive reactionaries. Sure they have some conservative overlap, but they believe a lot of things that damn well aren't conservative.

The foundation of philosophical conservativism is the family as the most significant social and economic unit. This may seem paradoxical with respect to conservative emphasis on individualism over "collective action" of the left, but the most important unit in conservatism is not the individual. The empowered individual and an emergent property from something more fundamental. The simple, forum-friendly version of the belief is that a well formed family unit produces the most optimal citizen in terms of morality, education, economic potential and their ability to better the country, society and themselves. And that citizen in turn will create their own family, and carry on the positive feedback loop. Thus government fundamentally should be about supporting and empowering and defending the creation and perpetuation of well formed family units. When something as quixotic as conservative statements against divorce pop up, at some level, this is where it originates (to be clear: I am not against divorce if it is indeed, in the best interest of the family and children).

I firmly believe in that. I came from a family exactly like that. The government should absolutely encourage society to be based around that model. Everything else tacked onto conservative is on one level of abstraction above this foundation: family matters most. Now I don't want to change topics, but I completely reject social conservatives refusal to define gay parents as suitable heads of that family. That's the Massachusetts Republican part of me. A mom a dad... two moms two dads... whatever. The parents and their kids, living moral, decent, productive lives and working hard is what will make them thrive as people, and this country thrive as a whole.

Now let's look at the two conventions. Last week Republicans barely talked about family and had a man on stage who cheated on his wives, fathered children from different women, and had a reputation for getting remarried to attractive trophy wives. What does Donald Trump represent about family, other than the utter degradation of the idea? By contrast we have Joe Biden's family and Barack Obama's family. We even have Hillary and Bill Clinton, which in it's own way is meaningful, because despite Bill Clinton being a cheating piece of garbage, made it work and their daughter now has a family of their own. Which, in 2016, is the party of family? It's a no-brainer. Those fake conservatives cavorting around here, mouthing off about Social Justice Warriors or Black Lives Matters don't have a clue about what Conservativism really is because what is important to conservativism - the family - isn't their primary politically motivating engine. Rather, they define themselves by what they're against - against social movements like BLM, against gun control, against Obama liberalism, or whatever else. That's not a platform. That's a list of complaints. What specifically will Donald Trump do for the family?

Will the Republican Party make it? Who knows. If it gets back to the party of family and appeals to families of all sorts, colors and make ups, absolutely. America is first and foremost about families. But it will need to rid itself of these frauds who think they're conservatives because they love the 2nd Amendment more than the other 26, and support Donald Trump because they were incited by protesting liberals or something equally unimportant in the big scheme of things.

Real conservatives find you social conservatives to be strange. You call people fake conservatives but you seem only focus on the parts of conservatism that have fuck all to do with government. Your wing of the Republican party is what holds them back from gaining power in a nation of conservatives.

[Wildtree]

Keep playing the denier, democrats are having a political fight inside their own party!

I'm in disbelief that this is real footage of #DNCinPHL right now.

Protest and violence outside the DNC!

ps: Mainstream media still silent, I guess they didn't get their memo from Hillary to report anyhting yet.

What are you trying to say or prove?

[Deleted]

What are you trying to say or prove?

Quit the show and admit you are as democrat as the Clinton oligarchs are!

Mirror for twitter video LOUD: https://vid.me/wHAR

Some other recent events:

Bernie delegate Jeff Day on payed seat filling: https://vid.me/S0L6

Bernie activists throw the coffin of democracy over the wall at DNC: https://vid.me/NGxn

Flag burner at DNC sets himself on fire: https://vid.me/xMSw

DNC cuts the lights over Oregon delegation for chanting "no more war": https://vid.me/cDaN

Haitians protest Hillary's corruption at the DNC: LOUD https://vid.me/nV5J

[Wildtree]

Quit the show and admit you are as democrat as the Clinton oligarchs are!

Says the Romanian.
Don't you have enough problem in your own shitty backyard?
Last I've checked you don't do that exciting there. Maybe because ppl like you wasting too much time with things that don't concern them, instead of actually doing something?

Btw. I'm not an American, I cannot vote in their election.

[Deleted]

Says the Romanian.

Thanks to you and America's intervention yes we continue to have.

[Felya]

Keep playing the denier, democrats are having a political fight inside their own party!

I'm in disbelief that this is real footage of #DNCinPHL right now.

Protest and violence outside the DNC!

ps: Mainstream media still silent, I guess they didn't get their memo from Hillary to report anyhting yet.

My bold choice is funnier than yours...

[Wildtree]

Thanks to you and America's intervention yes we continue to have.

Thanks to me, and my kind you enjoy Western wealth after the collapse of the Soviet regime and the end of being a vassal state thereof.
My kind finances your country.
So, come again..

[Deleted]

Thanks to me, and my kind you enjoy Western wealth after the collapse of the Soviet regime and the end of being a vassal state thereof.
My kind finances your country.
So, come again..

Yeah please stop. If we go down history lane, it will end up bad for you. I mean it's not like we had two wars with the Roman Empire, when America wasn't even an idea and when tribes in US and Africa were literally eating dirt. Only bitter sweet confort I take is that US is doing worst and worst each year.

[Tijuana]

Yeah please stop. If we go down history lane, it will end up bad for you. I mean it's not like we had two wars with the Roman Empire, when America wasn't even an idea and when tribes in US and Africa were literally eating dirt. Only bitter sweet confort I take is that US is doing worst and worst each year.

Ha, Europeans! So much pride, wow. Is all that pride the reason you little scamps were at war every year of your existence pre-NATO?

[Wildtree]

Yeah please stop. If we go down history lane, it will end up bad for you. I mean it's not like we had two wars with the Romans when America wasn't even an idea and when tribes in US and Africa were literally eating dirt.

What?
History lane? You weren't even the thought of a sperm when those events happened.
That's really all you can come up with?
Why not staying current?
And current FACTS are...
It's thanks to those Americans that you are and stay free.
And thanks to me, and my Western European peeps, that you are getting lifted out of the destructive oppression, your very parents and grandparents had to endure.. Definitely not you though.
The way you sound, you likely weren't even born when the USSR collapsed.