Pre-patch cinematics [spoilers] (duh)

[Mehrunes]

they had a very poor plan tho.

Yeah, that's like playing Mass Effect 2 without any ship upgrades. They did the whole suicide mission very wrong.

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I was actually expecting Sylvanas to turn around to the other leaders and go something along the lines of "You know, I can reanimate him, if you want?" but then the burning and the rousing question and so on and so forth.

[Zulkhan]

Wow, those deaths are something else. Vol'jin's model was extremely detailed and the cinematic in general looked great. You could feel the excruciating pain there.

Varian's death was hilariously brutal. Gul'dan really enjoyed his time there.

And I loved the fact that the Loa themselves kicked Sylvanas' butt out of the shadows to make her Warchief. I'm really eager to see where this plot is intended to go.

The video pretty much makes Official the theory that the Alliance thought that the Horde betrayed them and had no way of knowing what was going on up there. Genn's and Jaina's reactions are justified I believe after that.

Not really justified. Notice how Varian remains confused and doubtful and Genn screams "OH BOY I KNEW IT, YOU COULDN'T TRUST DA BITCH"

I'm not saying is not an understandable conclusion, but it's always the same known people who jump to those conclusions. There's really no denying that.

Both sides failed the moment they sent ALL their leadership into an unknown territory, against an enemy known for their uncountable numbers. If anything, the retreat was sound too late, they were winning squat.

That's indeed stupid, but within a comic-book plagued fantasy like Warcraft logic doesn't count, the heroes have to do badass things and shit.

also making her Warchief through an utterly contrived bullshit "da loa mon" nonsense.

I can only imagine your joy if Sylvanas would have become Warchief through some unredeemable evil scheme.

They are that enhanced that they shatter when Vol'jin hits the very edge of the blade with his fist.

Well, he got some Monk training after all.

By the way, IB4 "The Loa that talked with Vol'jin was actually Kil'jaeden".

Haha can't wait.

[Mehrunes]

That's just not true. Do you remember who Gul'Dan summoned at the end of Broken Shore? (before the cinematic plays)

Brutalis, Jaraxxus, Tichondrious etc etc.

And there are multiple named Man'ari Eredar sporting the same outfit as Archimonde at the portals on the Horde side. Not to mention the Legion staging ground on that side is just bigger and filled to the brim with demons nonetheless. Alliance part is rather narrow. And the space (dimension?) ships Combat was talking about.

[Trassk]

so currently orcs, trolls and tauren have all lost their racial leaders, alliance have only really lost varian.

Orcs only lost one racial leader, Garrosh, while the original leader is still floating around, and now Saurfang leads the orcs, so they didn't lose ground, and Tauren went though the same right of succession from father to son as the human leader is now.
Trolls though have been f**ked over pretty badly by wow writing, and even if they do give any random minor troll npc some focus its to little to late for them to have any relevance on the story.

But, thats the kind of caliber I've come to expect from blizzard.

[Arrashi]

Wrathgate, Garrosh , now this - Varian should've ended them back in MoP

Its funny beause now varian aint gonna end anyone.

[Mehrunes]

- Vol'jin gets stabbed like a bitch...breaks tusk lol

Well, in Vol'jin's defense (can't believe I'm doing it), he also did break that blade with his bare hand afterward.

- The music was epic!

The first few notes of the Sylvanas becoming Warchief cinematic reminded me of WoD cinematic about Thrall's Mak'gora against Garrosh. If deliberate choice and I'm not just hearing things, nice touch.

He failed his first willpower check and shat himself in the corner. A shame really, since i really wanted to see him lecture gul'dan (since you know pandas suffered most).

Blizzard will save that for the ending cinematic. Where they put Kil'Jaeden on trial. And we'll end with Iron Legion.

[steelballfc]

Gonna be sad when Gul'chan dies too. Best villain in this game, move over Arthas.

Way over Arthas

[bloodmoth13]

Orcs only lost one racial leader, Garrosh, while the original leader is still floating around, and now Saurfang leads the orcs, so they didn't lose ground, and Tauren went though the same right of succession from father to son as the human leader is now.
Trolls though have been f**ked over pretty badly by wow writing, and even if they do give any random minor troll npc some focus its to little to late for them to have any relevance on the story.

But, thats the kind of caliber I've come to expect from blizzard.

Carine died in a pathetic way though compared to varian, he died on accident!

orcs have gone through 3 leaders, thrall > garrosh > saurfang.
thrall left, kills garrosh, and saurfang is left to pick up the pieces.

Id love to see alliance get half the shit horde gets, and dont say theramore, that place was like an extra capital, all losing that did was equalize horde/alliance zones to be frank.

[KrazyK923]

I can only imagine your joy if Sylvanas would have become Warchief through some unredeemable evil scheme.

That's at least be consistent with her character rather than just bullshit "da spirits mon."

[steelballfc]

Damnit Horde cine is just 50% Alliance . But the fucking Valkyre tho.

doesn't she have 1+ !?

[Zulkhan]

Sylvanas steals the spotlight AND exposes alliance incompetence !

You're joking, but I read stuff of quite that level here.

[steelballfc]

That's at least be consistent with her character rather than just bullshit "da spirits mon."

i didn't understand that either
even if the Spirit said her name
why the Horde have to agree with a troll spirit !?
i mean i understand that Thrall word of Garrosh becoming warchife was a must, because he was the Warchife, but troll spirit !?

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You're joking, but I read stuff of quite that level here.

the fight between A-fans and Sylvanas fans will go to whole new lvl
god help us

[Zulkhan]

That's at least be consistent with her character rather than just bullshit "da spirits mon."

Sylvanas planning an evil scheme to become Warchief and expose herself to who god knows how many dangers? Doubtful.

I think is way more in character the long pondering she has about the completely new situation she has been thrown in.

[Wyrt]

Horde manages to get all their leaders shown. Alliance is missing half it's leaders(again).

Over half the Horde broken shore cinematic is alliance.

Why Blizzard? Why?

[Traveler Voltin]

doesn't she have 1+ !?

She has 4 main one and unknown amount of lesser ones

[Zulkhan]

even if the Spirit said her name
why the Horde have to agree with a troll spirit !?

Because Shadow Hunters value the advice and guidance of the spirits.

Vol'jin is a Shadow Hunter.

And the Warchief.

And the Warchief rules the Horde.

It ain't hard, guys.

[Zulkhan]

Horde manages to get all their leaders shown.

Yeah, and what a showing. Baine that gets Thrall out of the mess, Thrall himself crawling like a worm, Vol'jin getting stabbed, Lor'themar nonexistent until the Grommash Hold cinematic. And I'm not going to mention Gallywix. Like, which is the point.

[Yassy]

Horde manages to get all their leaders shown. Alliance is missing half it's leaders(again).

Over half the Horde broken shore cinematic is alliance.

Why Blizzard? Why?

Because they then gave Horde its own second cinematic for the post Broken Shore events?

[Mehrunes]

Wow, those deaths are something else. Vol'jin's model was extremely detailed and the cinematic in general looked great. You could feel the excruciating pain there.

Indeed, Vol'jiin looked great quality wise. And showed off his state in perfect way. The emotions of the characters were also portrayed wonderfully. Sylvanas' face when she made the call to retreat or saw the explosion. Genn's face when he saw it too. Or the gesticulation. The way Genn waved his hands when he said they need to retread matched what he was saying really well.

And I loved the fact that the Loa themselves kicked Sylvanas' butt out of the shadows to make her Warchief. I'm really eager to see where this plot is intended to go.

Obviously it's "Sylvanas conspired with the demons ever since W3 and the Loa's whispers was actually Kil'Jaeden".

Not really justified. Notice how Varian remains confused and doubtful and Genn screams "OH BOY I KNEW IT, YOU COULDN'T TRUST DA BITCH"

To me in the moment following demons rolling over at the Horde's previous position he had a look of "ooooh" on his face. But hard to say.

I can only imagine your joy if Sylvanas would have become Warchief through some unredeemable evil scheme.

Let's be realistic, he'd still cry about her being Warchief in general. Or thousand other things about her.

Well, he got some Monk training after all.

And what's even better is that you could see him being greatly affected by the strike (for obvious reasons), yet he still had enough strength to pull that off. Quite impressive.