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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    It always amazes me what some people are willing to completely overlook in order to support their side, and the tactics of deflection they use to do it.

    The crimes of illegals is a huge problem and we shouldn't ever encourage the importation of criminality because we have more home-brewed criminality than we can handle.

    Certain people can never bring themselves to acknowledge the lives that have been destroyed as a result of illegal immigration and that's sad.

    Its also amazingly hypocritical because they are the same people perpetuating the victim class while turning their backs on actual victims.
    But the "crime" of illegal immigration doesn't actually cause any harm at all. It seems foolish to ban something that causes no harm. Some illegals do commit crimes, then again, so to plenty of American citizens and legal immigrants.

    The banning of an action which does not cause harm, is unnecessary. It creates outliers, and actually promotes others crimes that are actually harmful.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    But the "crime" of illegal immigration doesn't actually cause any harm at all. It seems foolish to ban something that causes no harm. Some illegals do commit crimes, then again, so to plenty of American citizens and legal immigrants.

    The banning of an action which does not cause harm, is unnecessary. It creates outliers, and actually promotes others crimes that are actually harmful.
    They take jobs away from actual citizens and drive down the pay scale of labor jobs.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    They take jobs away from actual citizens and drive down the pay scale of labor jobs.
    Who cares if they take jobs from actual citizens, isn't that what capitalism and the free markets are all about? That's not harm, just like I didn't cause anyone harm when I was hired instead of others for my job.
    Last edited by Machismo; 2016-08-11 at 04:28 AM.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    So says Reuters.

    [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-voters-latino-commentary-idUSKCN1062O9[/url

    I remember after Romney got smashed by Obama Fox News was saying that the GOP needed to pivot towards minorities. They really don't seem to have done so and like the article says, it could be a huge problem.

    Reuters is completely biased. Unreliable source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Who cares if they take jobs from actual citizens, isn't that what capitalism and the free markets are all about? That's not harm, just like I didn't cause anyone harm when I was hired instead of others for my job.


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    Where oh where have you gone true Liberals.

    Its sickening what lengths the Left will go to to defend their organized party leaders. They will turn their backs on every core value in order to support a 'Democrat' Politician.

    Its not just RINOs, its now also DINOs


    Oh and Ill argue this with anyone. But a true Liberal has more in common with the Tea Party than the Democrat Party of today.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    But the "crime" of illegal immigration doesn't actually cause any harm at all. It seems foolish to ban something that causes no harm. Some illegals do commit crimes, then again, so to plenty of American citizens and legal immigrants.

    The banning of an action which does not cause harm, is unnecessary. It creates outliers, and actually promotes others crimes that are actually harmful.
    Ok well illegal immigration does massive harm to any country, that's just fact ok?

    There really is no intelligent basis for saying it doesn't so if you misspoke I'll give you the chance to correct yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    But the "crime" of illegal immigration doesn't actually cause any harm at all. It seems foolish to ban something that causes no harm. Some illegals do commit crimes, then again, so to plenty of American citizens and legal immigrants.
    It depends on the differences of the migrants and host. For example, people moving from a low-GDP per capita place with lower levels of development and education such as Syria walking to a place like Germany with higher standards is going to cause issues. They will need many many years to integrate and that is only if they even want to. There is a pattern where people from regions that are less prosperous have a tendency to think their way of doing things is better, even though the statistics dont back it up.
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  7. #67
    Why does everyone assume all the Hispanics are pro-illegal immigration, just because of their race?

    Most immigrants would have had to work damn hard over a lengthy process in order to get into the country legally, and it's these new immigrants that's opportunities and salaries are effected by the illegal immigration more than anyone else.

    They're showing community solidarity now for the press, but when it comes to the crunch I'd wager a lot want reform against illegal immigrants too.
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  8. #68
    Reuters is nothing but a Propaganda Machine for Hillary anyways. It cannot be trusted for anything.



    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...inton-winning/

    Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.

    “This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the results,” said the legendary pollster and political consultant. “I suppose you can get away with it in polling because there are no laws. But, if this was accounting, they would put them in jail.”

    The decision comes on the heels of a Breitbart News report that shows a 17-point swing towards Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump and away from Democratic nominee Hillary R.Clinton.

    “The looks to me, are far as I can indicate, they have merely decided to go back and revise their numbers in a formula that removes voters or allocates them–I am not sure how they are doing this–proportionately,” he said.

    Reuters has rejiggered its methods in order to get the results they want, said the man, whose out-of-the-box interpretations of the American electorate were the brain-work behind the insurgent presidential campaigns of Sen. George McGovern (D.-S.D.) in 1972, Georgia Gov. James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, President Carter 1980 and Sen. Gary Hart (D.-Colo.) in 1984. In 1992, Caddell worked for former California governor Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, who challenged Arkansas Gov. William J. “Bill” Clinton. In the 1990s, Caddell became a popular cable news guest and consulted on various television and movie projects. The 1984 campaign was a reunion of sorts, because Hart was McGovern’s campaign manager.

    “What they have done is unprecedented, he said. “They have now gone back and changed their results.”

    There are methods for projecting and allocating undecided voters based on complex attitude structures, based on many questions that tell the pollster that this person is in movement to support someone, he said. “Sometimes, they are hiding. That happens. Particularly in the past, or in racially-sensitive cases.”

    Caddell cited two examples to Breitbart News.

    “On July 25, they originally reported:
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    Reuters is nothing but a Propaganda Machine for Hillary anyways. It cannot be trusted for anything.



    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...inton-winning/

    Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.

    “This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the results,” said the legendary pollster and political consultant. “I suppose you can get away with it in polling because there are no laws. But, if this was accounting, they would put them in jail.”

    The decision comes on the heels of a Breitbart News report that shows a 17-point swing towards Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump and away from Democratic nominee Hillary R.Clinton.

    “The looks to me, are far as I can indicate, they have merely decided to go back and revise their numbers in a formula that removes voters or allocates them–I am not sure how they are doing this–proportionately,” he said.

    Reuters has rejiggered its methods in order to get the results they want, said the man, whose out-of-the-box interpretations of the American electorate were the brain-work behind the insurgent presidential campaigns of Sen. George McGovern (D.-S.D.) in 1972, Georgia Gov. James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, President Carter 1980 and Sen. Gary Hart (D.-Colo.) in 1984. In 1992, Caddell worked for former California governor Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, who challenged Arkansas Gov. William J. “Bill” Clinton. In the 1990s, Caddell became a popular cable news guest and consulted on various television and movie projects. The 1984 campaign was a reunion of sorts, because Hart was McGovern’s campaign manager.

    “What they have done is unprecedented, he said. “They have now gone back and changed their results.”

    There are methods for projecting and allocating undecided voters based on complex attitude structures, based on many questions that tell the pollster that this person is in movement to support someone, he said. “Sometimes, they are hiding. That happens. Particularly in the past, or in racially-sensitive cases.”

    Caddell cited two examples to Breitbart News.

    “On July 25, they originally reported:
    You say Reuters is biased and then post the shitstain of Breitbart LOL. Talk about fucking hypocrite.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace192 View Post
    You do realize to be part of the electorate they would have to be citizens aka legal immigrants right?
    Then why do they give 2 shits about immigration reform and deporting illegals ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    Reuters is nothing but a Propaganda Machine for Hillary anyways. It cannot be trusted for anything.



    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...inton-winning/

    Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.

    “This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the results,” said the legendary pollster and political consultant. “I suppose you can get away with it in polling because there are no laws. But, if this was accounting, they would put them in jail.”

    The decision comes on the heels of a Breitbart News report that shows a 17-point swing towards Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump and away from Democratic nominee Hillary R.Clinton.

    “The looks to me, are far as I can indicate, they have merely decided to go back and revise their numbers in a formula that removes voters or allocates them–I am not sure how they are doing this–proportionately,” he said.

    Reuters has rejiggered its methods in order to get the results they want, said the man, whose out-of-the-box interpretations of the American electorate were the brain-work behind the insurgent presidential campaigns of Sen. George McGovern (D.-S.D.) in 1972, Georgia Gov. James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, President Carter 1980 and Sen. Gary Hart (D.-Colo.) in 1984. In 1992, Caddell worked for former California governor Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, who challenged Arkansas Gov. William J. “Bill” Clinton. In the 1990s, Caddell became a popular cable news guest and consulted on various television and movie projects. The 1984 campaign was a reunion of sorts, because Hart was McGovern’s campaign manager.

    “What they have done is unprecedented, he said. “They have now gone back and changed their results.”

    There are methods for projecting and allocating undecided voters based on complex attitude structures, based on many questions that tell the pollster that this person is in movement to support someone, he said. “Sometimes, they are hiding. That happens. Particularly in the past, or in racially-sensitive cases.”

    Caddell cited two examples to Breitbart News.

    “On July 25, they originally reported:
    Wow. I literally had to do a double take here.
    You literally say that Reuters isn't trustworthy and then go on to link Breitbart? Cmon man that is plain ridiculous. Nobody in their right mind even bothers with that website.

  12. #72
    Am I the only one that sees the irony that people believe that with Rubio Latinos will start to rally behind him as though he was their king?

    This is what confuses me so much about how the world is today. I am racist believe me I make no qualms about admitting it. I always to try look at the person as a individual but in certain cases that becomes looking for exceptions rather then the whole.

    The way people think that others will just fall in line with someone because "hey his skin is my color" confounds me. I really can't understand that mentality...

    I know on some level it must happen. I am sure Obama got votes because he was black just like Hillary is playing the woman card so much its getting worn out but I always assumed the people who voted like that were some kind of deranged fringe minority.


    Please as a person who doesn't believe much in humanity as a whole tell me that most people don't think like that...

    People vote on issues right? I know not all but the majority must... otherwise why would they vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    They're 17% of the electorate and you're calling them parasites? That's really racist. They are citizens.
    The "racist" word lost its meaning sweet socialist bolsevic flower.

    Like someone said, how much untill being labelled as racist becomes a title of glory?
    If before i cared a little if im being called a racist, to not caring, to now, being proud of it, means im doing the right thing, means im not part of the communist movement that takes place across the planet.


    One more thing about socialist pieces of shit, i would rather burn my money than give to welfare whores, special snowflakes, i would burn my money in front of them! fucking weak bitches, failure of society, human garbage, WORMS!

    The only welfare i understand is towards families with more than 3 children so we raise the natality in Europe ethnics. European people the PEAK of civilization progress in any domain not trash beggers from 5th world countries.
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  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    Reuters is completely biased. Unreliable source.

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    4. Supports Totalitarian Government- Check

    Where oh where have you gone true Liberals.

    Its sickening what lengths the Left will go to to defend their organized party leaders. They will turn their backs on every core value in order to support a 'Democrat' Politician.

    Its not just RINOs, its now also DINOs


    Oh and Ill argue this with anyone. But a true Liberal has more in common with the Tea Party than the Democrat Party of today.
    There's not much difference between Democrats and Republicans in the United States. Democrats aren't actually liberals, and Republicans aren't actually conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Ok well illegal immigration does massive harm to any country, that's just fact ok?

    There really is no intelligent basis for saying it doesn't so if you misspoke I'll give you the chance to correct yourself.
    No, illegal immigration doesn't cause harm. It's a victimless action. It's nothing more than a person crossing an imaginary line. Not once did I say that we are obligated to give illegals a penny, or help them in any manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    It depends on the differences of the migrants and host. For example, people moving from a low-GDP per capita place with lower levels of development and education such as Syria walking to a place like Germany with higher standards is going to cause issues. They will need many many years to integrate and that is only if they even want to. There is a pattern where people from regions that are less prosperous have a tendency to think their way of doing things is better, even though the statistics dont back it up.
    That's still not harm. Illegal immigration is nothing more than crossing a line. The same worries you bring up about illegal immigration are the results of free markets and capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    Reuters is nothing but a Propaganda Machine for Hillary anyways. It cannot be trusted for anything.



    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...inton-winning/

    Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.

    “This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the results,” said the legendary pollster and political consultant. “I suppose you can get away with it in polling because there are no laws. But, if this was accounting, they would put them in jail.”

    The decision comes on the heels of a Breitbart News report that shows a 17-point swing towards Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump and away from Democratic nominee Hillary R.Clinton.

    “The looks to me, are far as I can indicate, they have merely decided to go back and revise their numbers in a formula that removes voters or allocates them–I am not sure how they are doing this–proportionately,” he said.

    Reuters has rejiggered its methods in order to get the results they want, said the man, whose out-of-the-box interpretations of the American electorate were the brain-work behind the insurgent presidential campaigns of Sen. George McGovern (D.-S.D.) in 1972, Georgia Gov. James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, President Carter 1980 and Sen. Gary Hart (D.-Colo.) in 1984. In 1992, Caddell worked for former California governor Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown, who challenged Arkansas Gov. William J. “Bill” Clinton. In the 1990s, Caddell became a popular cable news guest and consulted on various television and movie projects. The 1984 campaign was a reunion of sorts, because Hart was McGovern’s campaign manager.

    “What they have done is unprecedented, he said. “They have now gone back and changed their results.”

    There are methods for projecting and allocating undecided voters based on complex attitude structures, based on many questions that tell the pollster that this person is in movement to support someone, he said. “Sometimes, they are hiding. That happens. Particularly in the past, or in racially-sensitive cases.”

    Caddell cited two examples to Breitbart News.

    “On July 25, they originally reported:
    You just cited Breitbart to try and call out the bias of another news site. They have long been in the bag for Trump, even going so far as to throw their own employees under the bus to make him happy. I love irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Am I the only one that sees the irony that people believe that with Rubio Latinos will start to rally behind him as though he was their king?

    This is what confuses me so much about how the world is today. I am racist believe me I make no qualms about admitting it. I always to try look at the person as a individual but in certain cases that becomes looking for exceptions rather then the whole.

    The way people think that others will just fall in line with someone because "hey his skin is my color" confounds me. I really can't understand that mentality...

    I know on some level it must happen. I am sure Obama got votes because he was black just like Hillary is playing the woman card so much its getting worn out but I always assumed the people who voted like that were some kind of deranged fringe minority.


    Please as a person who doesn't believe much in humanity as a whole tell me that most people don't think like that...

    People vote on issues right? I know not all but the majority must... otherwise why would they vote?
    You just admitted to being racist, yet you cannot understand that other people also may be racist by voting for their own ethnicity? You literally answered your question by citing your personal beliefs.

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelliak View Post
    Er, pretty sure he's wanting to deport immigrants found unlawfully within this country and build a wall to keep them from returning. Not literally all Mexicans.

    I know Trump tends to say some questionable shit but let's not take what he does say and make it any worse than it really was.
    The stupidity of Trump is the fact that he doesn't realize that the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not sneak across the border, thus a wall would accomplish nothing. The enter legally in most cases.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Lets hope he succeeds.
    Of course our resident White Supremacist Sympathizer, Lockedout, hope Donald Dump succeeds in doing this!

    Oh, and for the Mods and everybody else - so they know what I'm talking about:
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    All you really need to know is white supremacist though.
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    I guess that's a bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Third world people outbreed everyone else and now their vote makes more of a difference, what a shocker.
    Third world people? What does that mean?

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    They do make a difference, hence why Republicans are trying to pass voter ID laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primalmatter View Post
    Am I the only one that sees the irony that people believe that with Rubio Latinos will start to rally behind him as though he was their king?

    This is what confuses me so much about how the world is today. I am racist believe me I make no qualms about admitting it. I always to try look at the person as a individual but in certain cases that becomes looking for exceptions rather then the whole.

    The way people think that others will just fall in line with someone because "hey his skin is my color" confounds me. I really can't understand that mentality...

    I know on some level it must happen. I am sure Obama got votes because he was black just like Hillary is playing the woman card so much its getting worn out but I always assumed the people who voted like that were some kind of deranged fringe minority.


    Please as a person who doesn't believe much in humanity as a whole tell me that most people don't think like that...

    People vote on issues right? I know not all but the majority must... otherwise why would they vote?
    They dont. And this is a rule in general. I saw a video when a trump supporter could not name a single policy she liked from donald trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombergy View Post
    Ok well illegal immigration does massive harm to any country, that's just fact ok?

    There really is no intelligent basis for saying it doesn't so if you misspoke I'll give you the chance to correct yourself.
    It does harm but economically speaking the contribute far more.

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    i hate when stupid people say stupid things like this. the white vote is the majority and is what matters in the end, however they tend to be split. but if one side ignored or betrayed them and they simply banded together then it should be apparent to all their vote is most important. its only cause we assume they are split due to previous elections but that doesnt mean you just can stop pandering to them. if the republicans weren't so crazy im sure they could attract more white people easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    They do make a difference, hence why Republicans are trying to pass voter ID laws.
    thought that was the poor disenfranchised blacks... you libs need to make up your mind and stick to it.

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