European migrant crisis [Megathread]

[luckydevours]

There are historians claiming the otherwise, where as the coup in Turkey is considered to be fake only by average Joes in Europe and USA. Besides, judging by the way you used Reichstag Fire, you pretty much implied the coup was orchestrated. No need to play the dumb.

If you don't have any historical knowledge and can't understand basic comparisons, you could read at least the first paragraph of the corresponding wiki page:

The Reichstag fire was an arson attack on the Reichstag building in Berlin on 27 February 1933. Marinus van der Lubbe, a young Dutch council communist, was caught at the scene of the fire and arrested for the crime. Van der Lubbe was an unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany. He declared that he had started the fire and was tried and sentenced to death. The fire was used as evidence by the Nazi Party that communists were plotting against the German government. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany.

The responsibility for the Reichstag fire remains an ongoing topic of debate and research. Historians disagree as to whether van der Lubbe acted alone, as he said, to protest the condition of the German working class. The Nazis accused the Comintern of the act. Some historians endorse the theory, proposed by the Communist Party, that the arson was planned and ordered by the Nazis as a false flag operation.

[Kuntantee]

Greece will find ways to get them back to where they belong: Turkey.

Greece will ship them to inner continental Europe, don't be naive.

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Whats wrong with shooting people when they forcefully (violently) enter your country? Its perfectly fine with the law...

They are refugees seeking for better conditions. Eastern Europe is too poor to provide proper accommodations. All countries in EU has signed Geneva conventions, in which refugees are entitled to move from Turkey to Europe without actually losing their refugee status, contrary to popular belief. The same convention also bans imposing any sort of penalties if a refuge illegally enters to a country.

That's why, at some point, a European leader suggested to redefine the refugee status.

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Honestly I dont care, its not my problem. I only care for central europe . And if Macedonia keeps doing this good service for us then Greece has to deal with this.

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But there is a border in Macedonia... there is a wall. It physically exists how do yo non violently cross it?

By crossing it without using violence. Crossing Borders illegally does not bring death penalty.

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Wow, it hurt just reading that... bloody hell. What an argument to make.

What? - The Jews had worked for their own land for a while at this point.

Madagascar Plan was a forced ethnic cleansing, whereas Jews immigrated to Israel en masse willingly.

A, you cant ethnically cleanse people who are not ethnically part of the region - (Citizens for the purposes of this point)
Therefore the comparison fails there.
More importantly, I'm very certain the German Jews would have migrated en masse to Madagascar too.

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No "wall" will work if millions start to rush into Europe.

We dont even need a wall.
Just end asylum rights.
They can come here, they just wont get anything out of it.

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So, you are committed go full barbarian? Shoot the refugees?

They are not refugees, because Turkey is as of now, Not at war.
Thus, NOT refugees.

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They are refugees seeking for better conditions. Eastern Europe is too poor to provide proper accommodations.

They are moochers seeking better conditions.

All countries in EU has signed Geneva conventions, in which refugees are entitled to move from Turkey to Europe without actually losing their refugee status,

Nope - they are not entitled to shit.

contrary to popular belief. The same convention also bans imposing any sort of penalties if a refuge illegally enters to a country.

Not true - You are conflating a refugee with a asylum applicant.

That's why, at some point, a European leader suggested to redefine the refugee status.

End it.

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Goblinp. You said that like....100 times? Whether or not thee country they come from is at war DOES NOT affect their refugee claim.
Focus on DOES NOT

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By crossing it without using violence. Crossing Borders illegally does not bring death penalty.

It does somewhere (try entering the muslim country ISIS).

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Goblinp. You said that like....100 times? Whether or not thee country they come from is at war DOES NOT affect their refugee claim.
Focus on DOES NOT

Actually, it does.

[lonely zergling]

By crossing it without using violence. Crossing Borders illegally does not bring death penalty.

You mean like those peoples?

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It does somewhere (try entering the muslim country ISIS).

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Actually, it does.

Isis is not a country. But if you feel like comparing your nation to the lowest of scum feel free.
No it does not.

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You mean like those peoples?

Oh! A video! That surely punched a hole in the logic chain of thought.

[lonely zergling]

Oh! A video! That surely punched a hole in the logic chain of thought.

But how do you illegaly cross a closed (border) wall without using violence?

[ghotihook]

But how do you illegaly cross a closed (border) wall without using violence?

I am guessing a ladder. Or maybe a tunnel.

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Isis is not a country. But if you feel like comparing your nation to the lowest of scum feel free.
No it does not.

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Oh! A video! That surely punched a hole in the logic chain of thought.

By that logic, Palestine is not a country.
They claim that they are a country (they AND others say that they are true muslims).

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What? - The Jews had worked for their own land for a while at this point.

Yes, for a country they wanted. In a land they like. On the soil they claim as their heritage. That is quite opposed to just packing a bunch of refugees on a ship and settling them on a punkass remote island somewhere east of Africa. A region, mind you, most of them just fled from because it's highly unstable with the exception (!) of a few stable nations that could collapse any day if we look at more recent history.

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Goblinp. You said that like....100 times? Whether or not thee country they come from is at war DOES NOT affect their refugee claim.
Focus on DOES NOT

Are we talking "claim" or recognised status?

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But how do you illegaly cross a closed (border) wall without using violence?

Climbing it? Don't know. Crossing Borders does not carry death sentence anyway.

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But how do you illegaly cross a closed (border) wall without using violence?

Most borders don't actually have a heavy border fence across thousands of kilometres of rural region. As far as I know, for instance, the border between Russia and Finland is basically just a very long break cut through the forest with a tiny fence if anything...

Something like this, if Google is to be believed:

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Yes, for a country they wanted. In a land they like. On the soil they claim as their heritage. That is quite opposed to just packing a bunch of refugees on a ship and settling them on a punkass remote island somewhere east of Africa. A region, mind you, most of them just fled from because it's highly unstable with the exception (!) of a few stable nations that could collapse any day if we look at more recent history.

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Are we talking "claim" or recognised status?

Both actually. Coming from a country that is at war isn't the end all of factors to be considered.

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Yes, for a country they wanted. In a land they like. On the soil they claim as their heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propos...a_Jewish_state
Many Jews were not picky.

That is quite opposed to just packing a bunch of refugees on a ship and settling them on a punkass remote island somewhere east of Africa. A region, mind you, most of them just fled from because it's highly unstable with the exception (!) of a few stable nations that could collapse any day if we look at more recent history.

I don't particularly care - its never going to stop being unstable until they stop being the problem.
Their problem, is their problem.
And moving them here does not help, because as we see, they continue to be problems (i.e, not integrating, which for the purposes of this conversation means assimilate).

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Both actually. Coming from a country that is at war isn't the end all of factors to be considered.

That did not actually answer the question.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propos...a_Jewish_state
Many Jews were not picky.

I don't particularly care - its never going to stop being unstable until they stop being the problem.
Their problem, is their problem.
And moving them here does not help, because as we see, they continue to be problems (i.e, not integrating, which for the purposes of this conversation means assimilate).

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That did not actually answer the question.

I believe it did, very much so.
Bein "from a country at war" is not the end all determining factor of either setting a claim or being given refugee status.

[Kuntantee]

What? - The Jews had worked for their own land for a while at this point.

A, you cant ethnically cleanse people who are not ethnically part of the region - (Citizens for the purposes of this point)
Therefore the comparison fails there.
More importantly, I'm very certain the German Jews would have migrated en masse to Madagascar too.

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We dont even need a wall.
Just end asylum rights.
They can come here, they just wont get anything out of it.

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They are not refugees, because Turkey is as of now, Not at war.
Thus, NOT refugees.

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They are moochers seeking better conditions.
Nope - they are not entitled to shit.

Not true - You are conflating a refugee with a asylum applicant.

End it.

Go read Geneva Convention and end your ignorance. The Geneva convention mentions nothing even remotely close to "losing refugee status" or anything when you change a country. So, speaking judicially, they are refugees, whether some racist accepts it or not. Moving on, ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with historical context. It's simply forced migration of a particular ethnic group.

You better drop your archaic, 19th-century-style racist views. They are disgusting.

[Runenwächter]

So we are back to the Madagascar Plan now? Any other Nazi solutions you would like to see implemented?

Didnt take you long to resort to godwin didnt it? If arguments fail bring up bullshit Nazi comparisons, it is that simple.

[Forogil]

Go read Geneva Convention and end your ignorance. The Geneva convention mentions nothing even remotely close to "losing refugee status" or anything when you change a country.

Which only prevents penalties for refugees who enter directly from the conflict zone - not in other cases (exactly what it means is debated).
However, non-penalty doesn't prevent their expulsion from the new country - and thus no-one stated that the Dublin-treaty was illegal.

And similarly EU sending back refugees to Turkey. Obviously that might be a bit problematic if Turkey refuses.