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  1. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by The Casualty View Post
    It's unfortunate, as this hurts the people who are already hurting the most. Anyone who could get out of these areas has or will likely do so. The people who stay have to watch businesses pack up and leave (and rightfully so), while their property value plummets and the few remaining jobs evaporate.
    Well that is the idea so the left can keep them on welfare and on the hook for votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enragedgorilla View Post
    Best bit? CNN edited that "speech" to make it look like the sister is calling for peace...when the truth of it is MUCH different.
    Nah, we are getting the whole,honest story though.
    How can anyone trust the integrity of the reporting by CNN after something like this? I can't even believe how fabricated their story became....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    I never claimed to withhold support from a particular side in this issue. But that's not the same thing as bias.

    However I agree with you. I think the media is largely to blame here. They've created this fabrication of a world where police are hunting and killing black people. Low information people will feel like targets.
    I could be wrong, but from seeing you post in other threads in general you appear to be a fairly liberal person. As a conservative person myself, its reassuring to see other people from different viewpoints at least see this issue similarly. I think the media is largely to blame here. Racial tensions are increasing because people say they are, not because people actually feel them.

  4. #644
    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    I didn't comment on police activity. I specifically said 'hunting and killing black people'. This is not happening.

    Policing, on the other had, does affect minority groups to a greater degree. However, that's not the same thing as police killings, which is what these protests are about and what movements like the BLM movement are about.
    The problem is, it is related. Mistakes happen. That's part of life. If you have a disproportionate amount of stops, then you have a disproportionate amount of mistakes. The number of mistakes then looks very large in comparison to the actual number of legitimate stops. On top of this, the disproportionate harassment that you seem to agree exists makes it even worse, because then innocent people who already feel picked on by the police get riled up when they and their neighbors are consistently and unnecessarily targeted. This leads to more nervous police and even more errors in judgment - on both sides. In short, while few people believe blacks are targeted for killing by police, the disproportionate stops and harassment create a tense environment in which killing inevitably ensues. It is easy to blame the targets of harassment, saying, "hey, do what the cops say," but it is the policing in question that has brought on this environment. If white, armed, Texans (many of whom share a wariness of any government agency stepping on their liberties) were stopped incessantly and harassed in a similar manner, you'd have all kinds of killings going on as they would refuse to put down weapons when asked, etc.

    @OP - Obviously, rioting (as it relates to trashing other people's stuff, or worse) is an absurd response to ANYTHING. Your post seems to imply this is a Black America problem. The reality is, it's a people problem. Google "white rioting in America" - you'll see, that while this response is not at all good, it is also not at all related to race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Casualty View Post
    It's unfortunate, as this hurts the people who are already hurting the most. Anyone who could get out of these areas has or will likely do so. The people who stay have to watch businesses pack up and leave (and rightfully so), while their property value plummets and the few remaining jobs evaporate.
    A lot of these people come from Chicago to Milwaukee, then end up going farther north to West Bend, Sheboygan, and Manitowoc and eventually to Green Bay. They move to escape the bullshit only to find out they're the ones bringing it with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacyrect View Post
    A lot of these people come from Chicago to Milwaukee, then end up going farther north to West Bend, Sheboygan, and Manitowoc and eventually to Green Bay. They move to escape the bullshit only to find out their the ones bringing it with them.
    Bingo. It's clearly endemic in their own toxic community. Until they tackle their own problems nothing will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacyrect View Post
    A lot of these people come from Chicago to Milwaukee, then end up going farther north to West Bend, Sheboygan, and Manitowoc and eventually to Green Bay. They move to escape the bullshit only to find out they're the ones bringing it with them.
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    Just turn fire hoses and dogs on them they will learn to stop.

  9. #649
    You'll notice, now that the truth has come out about the guy shot, coupled with it being a black officer, coupled with the family's comments, that this thread is pretty much dead.

    Guess all that faux outrage petered out eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulcrusher View Post
    Bingo. It's clearly endemic in their own toxic community. Until they tackle their own problems nothing will change.

    Wonderful how many overprivileged people feel the need to lecture the poor about how they should behave.

  11. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by TITAN308 View Post
    You'll notice, now that the truth has come out about the guy shot, coupled with it being a black officer, coupled with the family's comments, that this thread is pretty much dead.

    Guess all that faux outrage petered out eh?
    The natural progression. While you can still claim righteousness, events like this are proof black communities are tired of suffering in silence. Then it gets blamed on a bunch of out of towners when the dust cleared.

  12. #652
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    It's not a "fabricated" world... when it came to who police targeted New York stop and frisk showed that police clearly had a bias and targeted black and latinos. Whites were far more likely to have committed a crime when stopped, over black and latinos, this was because the whites stopped were suspicious while black and latinos were stopped just because they were profiled and in order to make quotas.

    When it comes to drug charges, whites use more drugs, and deal more drugs, but they're not the ones who are most affected by drug laws despite this. Whites are a double majority here essentially, they make up the largest number of people, and they are over represented when it comes to drug use, yet when it comes to actual punishment regarding drug use and sales, they are underrepresented in that regard.

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    If the criminal didn't have a weapon... you continue to chase them, at no point do you shoot them... it's against just about every protocol in this country.
    Please stop pushing the lie that black people are "oppressed" and that there is "institutional racism"

    The nonsense you posted about "mariguana use" has no affect on the fact that blacks commit more crimes than every other race in america combined. Black commit more crimes in addition to their drug charges. They are also caught more because they are more open about their drug use and no whites don't use more drugs per captia than blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fengosa View Post
    Even if specific cases are justified shootings there's still evidence that black communities are disproportionately policed in both DOJ reports of both Ferguson and Baltimore. Here's a snippet from th Baltimore report.

    The investigation was spurred by the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man whose spine was severed in the back of a police van last April. In its 164-page report, the DOJ wrote that "BPD makes stops, searches and arrests without the required justification; uses enforcement strategies that unlawfully subject African Americans to disproportionate rates of stops, searches and arrests; uses excessive force; and retaliates against individuals for their constitutionally-protected expression."

    If white communities in Texas were treated this way they'd be doing much worse than the riots we're seeing today.
    Blacks commit disproportionately more crime.

  13. #653
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramrod69 View Post
    Please stop pushing the lie that black people are "oppressed" and that there is "institutional racism"

    The nonsense you posted about "mariguana use" has no affect on the fact that blacks commit more crimes than every other race in america combined.

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    Blacks commit disproportionately more crime.
    We need to give out free weed to high crime areas, when is the last time you met a violent pot head?

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    blacklivesmatter is based on a lie. I hope people will finally start seeing this and ignoring the lies they spew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Wonderful how many overprivileged people feel the need to lecture the poor about how they should behave.
    I grew up poor, my family didn't commit crimes.

  16. #656
    Quote Originally Posted by TITAN308 View Post
    You'll notice, now that the truth has come out about the guy shot, coupled with it being a black officer, coupled with the family's comments, that this thread is pretty much dead.

    Guess all that faux outrage petered out eh?
    The truth always comes out about these justified shootings and actions. Blacklivesmatter doesn't care about the truth, their entire movement is based on a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Wonderful how many overprivileged people feel the need to lecture the poor about how they should behave.
    People who use the world "privilege" use it to make excuses for failure and success envy.

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    The police need to pull out of these areas and let them kill each other. Also put something in the water to sterilize the people.

  17. #657
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramrod69 View Post
    Please stop pushing the lie that black people are "oppressed" and that there is "institutional racism"

    The nonsense you posted about "mariguana use" has no affect on the fact that blacks commit more crimes than every other race in america combined. Black commit more crimes in addition to their drug charges. They are also caught more because they are more open about their drug use and no whites don't use more drugs per captia than blacks.

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    Blacks commit disproportionately more crime.
    Mister alt-i just got recently banned, account.

    Are you glossing over the fact that for every crime blacks are sentenced more harshly than whites who committ the very same crimes.

  18. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Mister alt-i just got recently banned, account.

    Are you glossing over the fact that for every crime blacks are sentenced more harshly than whites who committ the very same crimes.
    Are you ignoring the fact that these sentences are in addition to previous convictions and additional crimes?

  19. #659
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramrod69 View Post
    Are you ignoring the fact that these sentences are in addition to previous convictions and additional crimes?
    "similar background, similar crime"

    For instance first time teen offenders if they're black or latino are far far far more likely to be charged as adults for the same crimes than whites.

    But racism within the justice system is a myth.

    First time black offenders being sentenced to harder and longer sentence than whites, it's just a myth.

    the fact that black offenders are far more likely to be charged with something that carries a mandatory minimum while whites who have committed the same crimes are more often charged with something that does not, totally myth

    Racial bias in sentencing is something that is very well documented.

  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Mister alt-i just got recently banned, account.

    Are you glossing over the fact that for every crime blacks are sentenced more harshly than whites who committ the very same crimes.
    Its called repeat offences...

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