Havoc in Legion: 7.2.5 Guide

[Krille]

Hmmm, I see either bloodlet damage percentage being reduced, or both felblade and first blood getting decent boosts now....

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http://downloads.simulationcraft.org...lents/102.html

Thats 10-11% higher than the other options now.

Does this change the stat weighs? Or is Vers still our 2nd best stat?

[Varlak]

how sad that mastery is so weak.

[ChakanDH]

Does this change the stat weighs? Or is Vers still our 2nd best stat?

It seems to vary between builds, but generally it looks like vers edges out haste by a small margin. However, the gear set that gets used in the pre-raid sims seems to have a substantial amount of haste built in, so this might be affecting stat weights?

[The Archmage]

This substantial anannounced changes makes me kinda wonder if they are doing it on purpose.
We usually know everything even before it happens :P

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Its on the front page now: Haste now properly reduces the cooldown of Throw Glaive.

I wonder if this makes us stacks haste so we can get throw glaive to a like 3 sec cd and get a million ticking bloodlet

Also why does felblade still do Fire dmg, Blizz plsssssssssss

[Krille]

Its on the front page now: Haste now properly reduces the cooldown of Throw Glaive.

I wonder if this makes us stacks haste so we can get throw glaive to a like 3 sec cd and get a million ticking bloodlet

Also why does felblade still do Fire dmg, Blizz plsssssssssss

Probably because it's meant as a tanking talent (they've got the same options except for Bloodlet), you know they're based around fire damage.

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This substantial anannounced changes makes me kinda wonder if they are doing it on purpose.
We usually know everything even before it happens :P

I think it's more of a problem with Blizzard not being used to these "on-the-fly" changes they can make now (going by what WatcherDev said in a previous interview).

[Deleted]

Probably because it's meant as a tanking talent (they've got the same options except for Bloodlet), you know they're based around fire damage.

How is fel blade meant as a tanking talent, its just a nice proc for both specs to gain some extra resource and deal decent amount of dmg. How is that tank specific?. If they change it to be chaos dmg it actualy scales beter and comes closer to balance the 102 talent row. seeing as its far behind bloodlet atm, both talents could use some love and changing it to do chaos dmg is a nice start for that.

And no, Vengance does not have first blood so they dont have the same options except for Bloodlet.

[Krille]

How is fel blade meant as a tanking talent, its just a nice proc for both specs to gain some extra resource. How is that tank specific?. If they change it to be chaos dmg it actualy scales beter and comes closer to balance the 102 talent row. seeing as its far behind bloodlet atm, both talents could use some love and changing it to do chaos dmg is a nice start for that.

And no, Vengance does not have first blood so they dont have the same options except for Bloodlet.

Don't ask me. But it seems that way with how Blizzard have made the spell to do fire damage instead of Chaos (for Havoc), or it might be a bug. True, my bad but they do have Felblade. Geez, so passive aggressive.

[Deleted]

Don't ask me. But it seems that way with how Blizzard have made the spell to do fire damage instead of Chaos (for Havoc), or it might be a bug. True, my bad but they do have Felblade. Geez, so passive aggressive.

Im not trying to be mean/aggressive, sorry for that. It just did not make sense to me what you said :P

[Vanyali]

Its on the front page now: Haste now properly reduces the cooldown of Throw Glaive.

I wonder if this makes us stacks haste so we can get throw glaive to a like 3 sec cd and get a million ticking bloodlet

Stacking to this point would require a ridiculous amount of haste whhich would throw our crit way out of balance. Not to mention hitting the floor when meta + lust happened. Pawkets ran sims, doesn't seem to have changed much.

Probably because it's meant as a tanking talent (they've got the same options except for Bloodlet), you know they're based around fire damage.

It's actually a bug fix for something that's been broken but unnoticed since early early beta.

[Feawen]

Stacking to this point would require a ridiculous amount of haste whhich would throw our crit way out of balance. Not to mention hitting the floor when meta + lust happened. Pawkets ran sims, doesn't seem to have changed much.



It's actually a bug fix for something that's been broken but unnoticed since early early beta.

I reported Felblade as Fire dmg for havoc for a month straight every day on beta as a bug via ingame option as well as making suggestion for it to be chaos dmg for havoc to bring it closer to Bloodlet. So either they don't care, working as intended or it may get fixed prior to the 30th.

[Vanyali]

I reported Felblade as Fire dmg for havoc for a month straight every day on beta as a bug via ingame option as well as making suggestion for it be chaos dmg for havoc to bring it closer to Bloodlet. So either they don't care, working as intended or it may get fixed prior to the 30th.

I seem to have misread your post entirely and thought it was about TG. Welp.

[Feawen]

I seem to have misread your post entirely and thought it was about TG. Welp.

No I miss quoted. Was reading about Felblade and quoted wrong post. I am one my iPhone.

[jayinjersey]

Being Chaos would be cool of Felblade...but would still need a bit of love to make up the dps (unless we adjust our Mastery priority)


Just using the 102 sims and some pocket math...if Felblade did 10% more damage from Mastery (sim's mastery is only 9%) we would still be around 13 million damage under TG + Bloodlet.


Good but a start....I'm still going to use it though.
But then again, I'm going to run FBlade + Mo + Demonic cause that's more fun to me.

[Dimzum]

Being Chaos would be cool of Felblade...but would still need a bit of love to make up the dps (unless we adjust our Mastery priority)


Just using the 102 sims and some pocket math...if Felblade did 10% more damage from Mastery (sim's mastery is only 9%) we would still be around 13 million damage under TG + Bloodlet.


Good but a start....I'm still going to use it though.
But then again, I'm going to run FBlade + Mo + Demonic cause that's more fun to me.

Does that include that fact it would bypass armor if was changed to Chaos? I'll still use it for world quests and solo. Maybe even in 5mans since most AoE will be dead quickly.

[jayinjersey]

Nope...that's much more involved than napkin math

What's the best case with that? that 13M cut in half?

Still a big number...but I'll take all I can get with FBlade.

[Deleted]

Does that include that fact it would bypass armor if was changed to Chaos? I'll still use it for world quests and solo. Maybe even in 5mans since most AoE will be dead quickly.

It currently does fire damage, so it already bypasses armour.

[Dimzum]

It currently does fire damage, so it already bypasses armour.

Yup, I'm an idiot. Even was posted on this very page at the top...

[Shana Fenix]

Question. If I manage the Momentum buff purely through Fel Rush without ever using VR would that still make Momentum the better choice over Nemesis?
Also, how much of a DPS loss is taking Felblade over Bloodlet exactly?

[Feawen]

Question. If I manage the Momentum buff purely through Fel Rush without ever using VR would that still make Momentum the better choice over Nemesis?
Also, how much of a DPS loss is taking Felblade over Bloodlet exactly?

They would be close without VR, however Momo will still pull ahead on AOE.

It's pretty large, as you can read above, even if it was Chaos dmg and was affected by mastery in @jayinjersey who just ran the sim on it, it was still 13million behind BL.