Mafia 73: Emergency is NOW!

[JynxieJ]

Haha real funny..... I'm not moving my vote until I hear from Marack on his claim.

[Virothe]

Haha real funny..... I'm not moving my vote until I hear from Marack on his claim.

Man you do not take to subtlety well do you? I need that Jeff Dunham clip wear Peanut keeps doing the "zooooooooooom" over the head motion to insert here.

I did visit you last night, but either you only get a single scream in the game or my action didn't go through you clod. Hence why I didn't want to claim the god damn action, I'm trying to play this game the way it's supposed to be played with a layer of subtlety that you're SUPPOSED to read in to since having to directly state shit is just as bad as lying is and just as likely to get you killed but between you Dupti and Listo it's like playing darts in the dark absolutely fucking pointless and likely to get you hurt.

[dupti]

Great post mate.

[Virothe]

Great post mate.

What you mean the fact that he's had 2 screams in the game or the fact that you all play like a bunch of invalids?

[dupti]

I mean the whole "im2advanced for u guys" thing, I thought it was a good post because I agree. If you are telling the truth about your role, then I have no idea what you were thinking.

[JynxieJ]

Sorry, completely thought last night was night 4! That's why I was so confused *head desk*

[Virothe]

I mean the whole "im2advanced for u guys" thing, I thought it was a good post because I agree. If you are telling the truth about your role, then I have no idea what you were thinking.

My issue is that we should have never mass claimed, it takes out the WIFOM from everything, I don't know why you think an unvalidated cop source is a threat until the cop is killed because until that point it's completely possible to argue against those results and force a lynch to validate the innocents. If I were scum I would have been more worried about getting rid of the unknowns then laying in to the innocents while leaving the cop up. Especially because with the current town roles we're aware of Mafia would need to have other power roles to counter them or this set up is completely unfair.

Hell that's one of my biggest reasons for pushing Graem, all those Pr's and a Vigi Nk to worry about? what chance would mafia have had and fuck we already saw the answer to that 3 of them were routed in a single day/night phase.

[dupti]

I'm not sure I get your cop point. I didn't want the cop to reveal himself. I said that during the beginning of the day I was speculating that it might be a good idea for him to reveal because if Jynx is mafia then whoever sent the note is 100% with him, which is why it would be a good idea to get the cop claim out and commit to his checks. You make it sound like WIFOM is only a tool that town can use to confuse scum but that is certainly not the case. I then stated that I do not believe the cop needs to claim because I simply do not believe Jynx is ever scum, which is why I have no interest in pursuing it.

I knew the cop was in one of the unclaimed obviously, with listo claiming he didn't mind claiming all of a sudden I knew it was between you and Xan and the way you reacted to me and Celtic poking around your soft claim made me believe it was you.

[Virothe]

I'm not sure I get your cop point. I didn't want the cop to reveal himself. I said that during the beginning of the day I was speculating that it might be a good idea for him to reveal because if Jynx is mafia then whoever sent the note is 100% with him, which is why it would be a good idea to get the cop claim out and commit to his checks. You make it sound like WIFOM is only a tool that town can use to confuse scum but that is certainly not the case. I then stated that I do not believe the cop needs to claim because I simply do not believe Jynx is ever scum, which is why I have no interest in pursuing it.

I think this is just a matter of different opinions at this point, we both seem to semi-understand where the other is coming from we just don't 100% agree with each others views. That said it's getting to be a bit pointless to argue it because I don't think either of us is going to convince the other that they're right XD

I'm really not saying Wifom is the only tool, I'm just saying forcing town to claim is a bad policy especially when we already had other claims we could have contested and tried to clarify before throwing in more and getting distracted and confused by all the wrong things.

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I also hate claiming because every time I do it just causes a massive shit storm >.<

I think I'm just bad at it :/

[dupti]

But I didn't force anyone to claim. We had three unknowns today. I wanted to lynch between between listo, Xan (two of the unknowns) or Allowyn.

Listo wanted to claim because he thought he was useless, so I told him to just do it then. Xan claimed immediately after I went for him, most likely because he believes I am town, but that was still his own choice, and I assume you claimed because Jynx went for you?

[listo95]

But I didn't force anyone to claim. We had three unknowns today. I wanted to lynch between between listo, Xan (two of the unknowns) or Allowyn.

Listo wanted to claim because he thought he was useless, so I told him to just do it then. Xan claimed immediately after I went for him, most likely because he believes I am town, but that was still his own choice, and I assume you claimed because Jynx went for you?

I wouldn't say it was entirely because I believe myself to be useless in terms of being a stupid Commuter. (Because honestly this is my 3rd time with a role like this and I never do anything good with it since people refuse to try and kill me...) I mostly believed if I waited long enough to get into the hot seat I would have gotten lynched because I honestly suck at defending myself without using WIFOM.

Also Virothe... I thought you said your role was useless also... Honestly why do you believe it to be useless?

[dupti]

I wouldn't say it was entirely because I believe myself to be useless in terms of being a stupid Commuter. (Because honestly this is my 3rd time with a role like this and I never do anything good with it since people refuse to try and kill me...) I mostly believed if I waited long enough to get into the hot seat I would have gotten lynched because I honestly suck at defending myself without using WIFOM.

Alright fair enough, doesn't really change my point though.

[Virothe]

Also Virothe... I thought you said your role was useless also... Honestly why do you believe it to be useless?

Because up till this point it hasn't done anything that would benefit town, it's the same as yours maybe in someone elses hands it could have been useful but for me it just feels like I haven't been able to utilize it at all.

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and I assume you claimed because Jynx went for you?

Ya I felt a pretty overt threat in his terms when he voted for me

The following day correct?

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Ok so... Virothe, you need to claim. Plain and simple because right now for me it's between you and Allowyn.

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vote Virothe

It's not a clear "Claim or Die" But it was a threat of pressure with a clear result of me being under the gun, which I am now anyway so I guess claiming didn't solve anything :/

[Marack]

Im a store keeper.
I have 3 items. Can only give 1 item a night. They can use said item a subsequent night
Security Camera – Player will know IF they were visited by someone
Vodka – Gets the player drunk, allowing them to heckle 3 people of their choice
??? - ???

As Ive stated, all items have been given out at least 1 time and 1 person has gotten 2 different items. In fact, I have asked the recipients on the unnamed item if they have used it.

I win with town. I am town.

N1 - ??? given to ??? N1. No big readys on anyone. Thought it was a safe play at the time.
N2 - ??? given to ???
N3 – Vodka to dupti, thought dupti was stressed. Even asked him if he needed a drink in thread before day ended.
N4 – Camera to Krayzy. Was hoping he would be around to use it and be more active in the game. Figured he would be visited by someone N5.
N5 – Camera to Graeham. Think I made a mistake giving him the camera, but its too late to do anything about it now.

Looking back, I wish I had better reads on people. Also wish I knew if people made use of that unknown item. If I were to do it again, I wouldnt have given that item on N1/2. Would have been more useful if it was a camera.

[listo95]

Okay with Marack's (mostly full) claim this is the claim list with what they do.

Allowyn - Stalker (Watcher/Tracker)
Celtic - Doc (protects)
Dupti - Drunk (Heckles)
JynxieJ - Screamer (Screams when visited)
Listo95 - Commuter (Immune to Night Actions on certain nights)
Marack - Store Keeper (gives items out to people)
Soldier 76 - Vampire Vigi (kills)
Virothe - Delivery Driver (Slows actions down by X hours)
Xanjori - Note Cop (Investigates and gives note to a player)

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So we know Graeham is 1 of the kills and is either telling the truth being a Vigi or is a SK. We know all mafia roles so far have been related to the Casino. Really going by a meta game theory the only role that would make any sense of being in a Casino in my eyes would be a Delivery Driver...

[dupti]

Marack did you give me the phone? Because in that case I claimed it ages ago.

[listo95]

Oh by the way the fact that Marack gave me this item probably means he is town. I also got a phone n2 which Large forgot to tell me about.

Here is the post with the phone claim if people wanted it. I honestly completely forgot about this item claim!

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Also another meta gaming post slightly. This is just me trying to figure out which setup would be more likely.

4v1v1v12
4v1v13

These assume 1 more mafia, ana, and then assuming either a sk or vigi. If we assume its 2 mafia are left alive it would look like

5v1v1v11
5v1v12

I honestly doubt there being more than 5 mafia so those are the 4 main setups I can think of at this time.

[JynxieJ]

Ok so here is the thing if we have a store keeper that gives out cameras why do we need a town watcher/tracker?

[Virothe]

Ok so here is the thing if we have a store keeper that gives out cameras why do we need a town watcher/tracker?

Why do we need a Doc that can protect give out vests and a little old lady who protects you?

[Marack]

With the phone, camera and vodka... I can only give 1 item to 1 player. Can only give 1 item a night.