Does the Alt-Right event exist? Or just Clinton fiction?

[Paranoid Android]

The reason the Alt-Right is popular is probably more to do with the inconsistencies, hypocrisy and generally morally bankrupt activities of the Left today.

Thank god you told us. The alt-right is the moral balance to the Left. Not even the extreme Left, just plain old lefties. Thank god we have the alt-rights, our White Knights. Pun intended.

[Reeve]

Could you be a bit more explicit about why? I don't find anything inherently immoral or damaging about a Taiwanese politician seeking to promote the interests of Taiwanese people.

I have no problem with them seeking to promote the interests of the Taiwanese nation. When you start to have people trying to promote the interests of a particular "racial group," it's inherently saying "this racial group is more important than that racial group." Plus, it tends to promote conflict, particularly in situations like the Ukraine, where Russia was "defending the interests of ethnic Russians."

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The reason the Alt-Right is popular is probably more to do with the inconsistencies, hypocrisy and generally morally bankrupt activities of the Left today.

Eating junk food is bad for you, so it's better to just not eat?

Running to the extremes is bad. Seeing the "bankruptcy" of one extreme doesn't mean the opposite extreme is right.

[Spectral]

I have no problem with them seeking to promote the interests of the Taiwanese nation. When you start to have people trying to promote the interests of a particular "racial group," it's inherently saying "this racial group is more important than that racial group." Plus, it tends to promote conflict, particularly in situations like the Ukraine, where Russia was "defending the interests of ethnic Russians."

One doesn't have to view one group as "more important" than another in any objective sense to promote its interest. I promote my family and put it ahead of other families; this does not imply animus towards or judgment of other families, just that my own is more important to me.

I don't follow why promoting a nation's interests is A-OK, but promoting the interests of an ethic group is obviously bad.

[Theodarzna]

Yeah, a language group isn't useful either. I don't exactly have a huge amount in common culturally with the majority of the world's Sanskrit speakers.

Nonsense. I grew up in a city that was majority non-white. Most of the people I know would say they were Americans. They might also say their family is Philippino, but they clearly view themselves as Americans and have adopted and are a part of American culture.

I think it may be you who's uncertain of its origins.

Again, with the language groups? Here's a language group for you: Earthian. Arabic is a language native to Earth, so they're keeping it "in the group" too.

I get the feeling that whatever defines a group as being real is purely open to your political sensibilities.

I know Christmas is also heavy on Germanic tribal symbolism.

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That it's irrationally based in racist prejudice and antagonism.

As opposed to all forms of nationalism?

Yes. Why is that a question? Israel's policies that tend towards this have never been something I've supported, for instance.

Does the nation state have a right to exist?

Textbook example of misrepresentation. You can't just exclude contributing context and imply that race is why those scores trend lower, not when there are obvious and known contributing factors, like socioeconomic class, that are correlated in the same way.

last time numbers were run there was a 15 point IQ differential - its nonsensical to suggest that its all socioeconomics.

Oh no, you don't get to arbitrarily draw lines like that.

Its hypocrisy, sure, move on.

Either you actually believe that you should return control of the USA to its First Nations peoples, or you don't actually believe this point. Which is my point; this isn't a position the alt-right actually abides by.

What point in history is the zero state? Regardless, I'm not an american - My people conquered this place from the Jötun.

[/I]It's not a "known fact". It's a pretty damned silly claim.

Want me to drag out the papers on it? - Now feel free to argue that the points of comparison are unfair (mostly stable nation states to unstable non-nation states)
But that is a fact.

The Middle East is one of the hotbeds of violence in the modern era, and it's pretty ethnically similar.

Eh No its not - There is only one nation state there (ignoring Israel for obvious reasons) - And more importantly, there are like 6000 different sects of christian, pre christian, eastern, greek, punic, faiths - as well as a lot of synthetic ones.
And that's not getting into the Sunni Shia problems, as well as the many nations that are distinct even if they share a religion, like Turkmen, kurds.
Its the very opposite of ethnically homogeneous.

China and Japan have a long history of hatred and violence. Europe was a constant battlefield until the second half of the 20th Century, and even there, you've got issues like the IRA and so forth.

You mean like the religious wars?
That was an ethno-religous conflict - it makes my point.

[Lenonis]

Something that hasn't been brought up -- the "2nd amendment solution" wackos -- like the Bundy crew.

Where do they fit in with this scheme?

[Reeve]

I get the feeling that whatever defines a group as being real is purely open to your political sensibilities.

I know Christmas is also heavy on Germanic tribal symbolism.

And Roman festivalism, and American consumerism. It's a lot of things to a lot of different people. I celebrate it as a family holiday, a chance to get together with my extended family and share a few wonderful days with some great dinners and card games.

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Not exacatly.
Russia, Bosnia and the Brits are very different from eachother, culture wise i'd say.

Yes, but their points of agreement would be larger than with some random asian.

Culture groups would be like the Germanics(Germans, frisians, Flemish, Dutch), Slavs(lparts of East Europa), the Celtics etc..

Not an invalid point.

The original was not even Christian anyway, it was a feast by the Germanic tribes before the romans used it to try and convery them to Christians.
Its Germanic culture if anything, not many people celebrate it for the Christian meaning here.

yeah but now its a synthetic western thing.

[7-4]

The reason the Alt-Right is popular is probably more to do with the inconsistencies, hypocrisy and generally morally bankrupt activities of the Left today.

Actually, it has more to do with the Republican party abandoning practically all of their principles in the name of cheap labor. Marco Rubio's 'gang of 8' bill was going to grant blanket amnesty. Ted Cruz suggested increasing H-1B visas by 500%.

[Endus]

As opposed to all forms of nationalism?

For the most part, yes. Nationalism is a blight.

Does the nation state have a right to exist?

This is a nonsensical question. States don't have "rights".

That Israel exists isn't automatically a bad thing, though.

last time numbers were run there was a 15 point IQ differential - its nonsensical to suggest that its all socioeconomics.

You have literally no evidence to back this, other than racial prejudice.

Eh No its not - There is only one nation state there (ignoring Israel for obvious reasons) - And more importantly, there are like 6000 different sects of christian, pre christian, eastern, greek, punic, faiths - as well as a lot of synthetic ones.

This is malarkey. There are over a dozen nation states in the Middle East. Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, UAE, Lebanon, Bahrain, and Qatar

And then you shift to religion for no reason.

You mean like the religious wars?

That was an ethno-religous conflict - it makes my point.

It really doesn't. It was Irish Catholics attacking Irish Protestants and vice versa. That's not "ethnic diversity", and it certainly wasn't racial; in many cases, it split up immediate family.

[JohnBrown1917]

The reason the Alt-Right is popular is probably more to do with the inconsistencies, hypocrisy and generally morally bankrupt activities of the Left today.

Such as? Its not like the US even has a strong political left-wing.

[7-4]

You have literally no evidence to back this, other than racial prejudice.

The poverty rate of hispanics and blacks in the United States is nearly identical (23.2% vs 25.8%,) yet hispanics score nearly 100 points higher on the SAT. What is the cause?

Is the SAT racist? Whites score lower than asians.

Is it culture?

Is it genetics? Oh, right. 'We are all one race, the human race' which explains why sub-saharans don't suffer from tay-sachs, why arabs don't suffer from cerebral palsy, and why europeans don't suffer from sickle-cell anemia.

[JohnBrown1917]

Yes, but their points of agreement would be larger than with some random asian..

Agreeing on some stuff does not make them a culture group.

Not that I can think of a lot of things us Dutchmen agree on with the Russians.

[nextormento]

Nationalism is a blight.

Just as much as conservatism, market socialism, Hinduism, futurism or feminism.
What ever happened to granularity? or distinguishing orthodoxy, radicalism or extremism? Does it only apply to a select group of ideas and sentiments?.

[Daelak]

The poverty rate of hispanics and blacks in the United States is nearly identical (23.2% vs 25.8%,) yet hispanics score nearly 100 points higher on the SAT. What is the cause?

Is the SAT racist? Whites score lower than asians.

Is it culture?

Is it genetics? Oh, right. 'We are all one race, the human race' which explains why sub-saharans don't suffer from tay-sachs, why arabs don't suffer from cerebral palsy, and why europeans don't suffer from sickle-cell anemia.

Were hispanic people denied wages and basic human dignity for over 200 years? Were the majority of hispanic people forced to be second class citizens during the Jim Crow Era? Why do you think the current black republican senator, who is black, is the 2nd time since 1870 when they elected a black senator?

[May90]

Just as much as conservatism, market socialism, Hinduism, futurism or feminism.
What ever happened to granularity? or distinguishing orthodoxy, radicalism or extremism? Does it only apply to a select group of ideas and sentiments?.

Everything you've listed is based on some set of ideas which have a relevance in this world. While nationalism does not: the nature doesn't know what a "nationality" is, it is a purely artificial and illogical construct. It is much like building math around the assumption that 2+2=5: sure, your theory can get quite interesting and complex - but its value is null, since it is based on a stupid and wrong idea.

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For the most part, yes. Nationalism is a blight.

And i see it as the cornerstone a functioning state.

This is a nonsensical question. States don't have "rights".

Okay, - Should nation states continue to exist?

You have literally no evidence to back this, other than racial prejudice.

No Endus its a well know fact they score worse - pick a test, black people score worse.

This is malarkey. There are over a dozen nation states in the Middle East. Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Yemen, UAE, Lebanon, Bahrain, and Qatar

baring Turkey and Iran, every single one of those states is a result of Sykes picot - They intentionally drew the lines to make for non nation states.

And then you shift to religion for no reason.

No, not no reason, because it is a divider, its 'diversity'.

It really doesn't. It was Irish Catholics attacking Irish Protestants and vice versa. That's not "ethnic diversity", and it certainly wasn't racial; in many cases, it split up immediate family.

You do know there are more than one kind of ethnic? - Like religious, racial, national -

[Reeve]

Everything you've listed is based on some set of ideas which have a relevance in this world. While nationalism does not: the nature doesn't know what a "nationality" is, it is a purely artificial and illogical construct. It is much like building math around the assumption that 2+2=5: sure, your theory can get quite interesting and complex - but its value is null, since it is based on a stupid and wrong idea.

Just because something is a social construct doesn't make it any less real or impactful.

[7-4]

Were hispanic people denied wages and basic human dignity for over 200 years? Were the majority of hispanic people forced to be second class citizens during the Jim Crow Era? Why do you think the current black republican senator, who is black, is the 2nd time since 1870 when they elected a black senator?

At what point do we start holding people accountable for their actions instead of making excuses? Slavery ended 150~ years ago. Segregation, 60~ years ago. Perhaps it's time we address the real problem. Culture. When the illegitimacy rate is north of 70%... (not a typo.)

[Spectral]

For the most part, yes. Nationalism is a blight.

This is pretty funny coming from the guy that insists that communism has just never been done right. Perhaps it's just another who-whom situation.