New Sims with 9/23 hotfixes

[NeximEU]

Both shadow Priest sims seems off. The proportion between Vampiric Touch damage and Shadow Word: Pain should be VT doing 25,6% more DPS SWP. The sim however has VT at 48,4% higher DPS.

There only possible reasons for the disparity would be relics for VT damage or the San'Layn talent. Neither are however in the profile.
All in all it seems both shadow priest sims are about 3% too high damage overall.

[Usernameforforums]

Keep in mind its with tier19 not EN gear

[Kanga]

Keep in mind its with tier19 not EN gear

The T19, I believe stands for artifact points placed.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

From another thread: "Classes changed in simcraft: warlock, mage, demon hunter, fury warrior. Rest is running old tooltips. I THINK."
Ret does roughly around the same DPS on that chart as currently on live, that's impossible with their buffs.

Why are we listening to sims where people aren't even sure what's been changed?

[hershey97]

Destro and affliction warlocks need a bit more of a buff imo.

[Ealyssa]

Sims show the absolute maximum performance of the specs under ideal conditions. Nothing more, nothing less.

Not even true.

Sims show spec sim developer talent to aproximate the spec rotation. And currently the aproximation is quite loose for a lot of spec.

Sims aren't gods word. Just humans dev trying to sim wow, sometime with talent, sometime without.

[Gilor]

The T19, I believe stands for artifact points placed.

No, it stands for Tier 19

[munkeyinorbit]

Not very accurate since there hasn't been a Patchwerk encounter in the game in about a decade.

Butcher wants to say hello. So does Ursoc.

[MatthewOU2015]

MM best raid spec. El oh el.

[muto]

I don't take sims seriously, because they're usually based on a patchwerk fight where you don't move and it's pure single target with a perfectly played rotation, which most people wouldn't be able to pull off, especially when it comes to Demo.

[Hctaz]

Yeah that frost one is pretty bad isn't it? They took Obliteration, Horn of Winter, and Runic Attenuation. Pretty sure Frostscythe does more single target damage than Obliterate with a KM proc.

[Deleted]

Welcome the new warlock overlords

[Eazy]

There's only one thing that is made right - every rogue spec nearly on the same level in terms of DPS.

[Skylarking]

There's only one thing that is made right - every rogue spec nearly on the same level in terms of DPS.

So does that mean one should invest all AP into one weapon, or spread them out evenly across all weapons?

[noladrew]

Butcher wants to say hello. So does Ursoc.

butcher and ursoc both thank you for all the movement you did. patchwerk didnt require dps to move AT ALL. clown

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Keep in mind its with tier19 not EN gear

these are simmed with 840 mythic gear. technically were in t19 just like we we were in Highmaul on WoD release. we just didnt have access to tier gear yet.

[Deleted]

Whoever says sims aren't relevant just have no clue how to actually use sims.

Obviously you take in factors such as movement and adds etc, but you look at sims to get a brief understanding of what specs are performing better than others. For example, would you rather have a mage in your raid play Frost instead of Fire? Of course you fucking wouldn't.

Of course there is always a chance that they are wrong because of user error, but this is normally noticed pretty quickly.

If you use the results from sims with a tiny bit of common sense, they are useful.

[Andriokz]

It's people like this that keep me rich on my server. A thread about sims that don't contain all hotfixes, may have errors since the release was not that long ago, a ST stationary fight, 19 point on it's own artifact path, it's own talents. So many years of logs and the general community still looks to this as gospel. Oddly enough, it says current hotfixes right there. Someone said Paladin, but SimC only mentioned the four classes and which values were changed on a ST,stationary fight.

At least the guy above got it right.

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Whoever says sims aren't relevant just have no clue how to actually use sims.

Obviously you take in factors such as movement and adds etc, but you look at sims to get a brief understanding of what specs are performing better than others. For example, would you rather have a mage in your raid play Frost instead of Fire? Of course you fucking wouldn't.

Of course there is always a chance that they are wrong because of user error, but this is normally noticed pretty quickly.

If you use the results from sims with a tiny bit of common sense, they are useful.

This is where you are mind fucked. What should be common sense isn't common; crazy!

[Deleted]

Welcome the new warlock overlords

It will be virtually impossible for demolocks to achieve that dps in a real raid environment. Mor elikely to be close to the other two lock specs

Demo is hideously immobile, vast rampups, bad target switching, flakey pets

[Schizoide]

Sims show spec sim developer talent to aproximate the spec rotation. And currently the aproximation is quite loose for a lot of spec.

Sims aren't gods word. Just humans dev trying to sim wow, sometime with talent, sometime without.

Exactly right, and well-said. That's why sims can't be used to compare across classes-- not just because the sims are patchwerk, because someone will respond with helter-skelter settings, even though they don't approximate real raid encounters either. Because sims aren't all the same level of maturity.

Sims can only be used to compare talents, gear, and figure out rotations. That's it. Any use across classes is always invalid.

[Veshx]

For example, would you rather have a mage in your raid play Frost instead of Fire? Of course you fucking wouldn't.

Would you rather a Survival Hunter come to your raid instead of MM?

every single hunter is laughing at you if you say yes.