Erdogan disputes Treaty of Lausanne, prompting response from Athens - Is War coming?

[Slant]

Really going the Nazi argument this quick after all of the Golden Dawn crap that's happening in greece? it's still page bloody page 1 so don't start with the nazi crap this quick.

Again this is a failure of a argument because you have no actual proof to back up your claims, how big of a mental stretch did you just do to draw parels between the coup and a event that destroyed Jewish Businesses?

No proof? Dude, I'm just taking the events that are generally accepted as fact and what you just posted and put actual historical events next to them. It's not my problem that they're as similar as they look.

Not sure why you're bringing Golden Dawn into this, but I understand that you kind of need to deflect here, as you obviously have no argument against what I said. It's okay if you're raging a bit right now. I'd be embarassed, too.

[nextormento]

Are we treating domestic interests and propaganda as international policy now?.

[Slant]

Are we treating domestic interests and propaganda as international policy now?.

Nope, we wait until he does it and then say "See, I knew it!" before conceding territory.

[ati87]

No proof? Dude, I'm just taking the events that are generally accepted as fact and what you just posted and put actual historical events next to them. It's not my problem that they're as similar as they look.

Not sure why you're bringing Golden Dawn into this, but I understand that you kind of need to deflect here, as you obviously have no argument against what I said. It's okay if you're raging a bit right now. I'd be embarassed, too.

What facts? Who has generally accepted that Turkey is about to invade Greece? You because this is new to me

And the reason why I mentioned the Golden Dawn is as I said, your calling the Turkish government nazi's without any proof to back up your claim when you have a actual neo nazi party in your own parlement

[ParanoiD84]

Erdogan is at it again i see. Though he was to busy finding kurds to kill to do anything else.

[Theodarzna]

But Greece has no Armenians for them to gorge their bloodlust on.... I guess its Greeks now/again?

[nextormento]

Nope, we wait until he does it and then say "See, I knew it!" before conceding territory.

It's not much different than what Morocco argues about the Spanish islands by the African coast.
They have absolutely no sovereign claim over them. But they utilize them as proxy to light up certain nationalist sentiments.
Yes, we do wait. When they do seize one (like they did in 2002) we fix it.

Difference being scale, power, and NATO, of course.
I'm ok with giving this piece of propaganda the weight it deserves. But I'm highly skeptical of any of it coming to fruition. If they try, there's plenty of mechanisms to deal with it.

[Logwyn]

Dual citizen and never voted for him and don't care so much about Turkish politics except when people take stuff out of context |(because just like now it isn't a honest discussion just nation/religion/race bashing)

First he starts of with the following: ''they forced this treaty on us saying it would be good''
2e he talks about how it was turkish land and properties that belong to ''us'' and that still stand today

Point 1: Well these things happen when you join a war and are on the loosing side... Either stay the F out or take your poison when you loose....

Point 2: Wait you mean the lands that the Turks took by force from the Byzantines/Romans? How about we push the border back to where the Turks started and let them have "their" land.

[SoundOfGuns]

Why would a NATO member attack another NATO member?

Sounds like suicice too btw.

And it kinda is. But at this point Sultan Erdogan is beyond reasonable and so megalovanian that im pretty sure he thinks he can totally do it. Of course its also right that...

The mangy dog is barking again. He won't do anything.

Lets hope its just another one of those moments were he angrily shakes his fist to look strong.

[ati87]

Point 1: Well these things happen when you join a war and are on the loosing side... Either stay the F out or take your poison when you loose....

Point 2: Wait you mean the lands that the Turks took by force from the Byzantines/Romans? How about we push the border back to where the Turks started and let them have "their" land.

And greece lost to turkey which clearly is a sore event in their own history because they have been bitching about it for decades now and even tried to take over Cyprus at some point, let alone pushing their own boarders.

[jaxxer]

my fellow greek mates, you wont get invaded for once again so relax.. I'm a turk and erdogan has got no clue about the history of New Modern Turkey at all.
You can just ignore whatever he says, at least we do it like that. Until yesterday he was taking lousinnae as a victory in every speech he had. What happened this year?
After the coup many of the EU countries didnt support the Erdogan goverment. EU also didnt granted the travelling without visa for the turks so its normal for him to change the total subject to loussinna.

[Uzkin]

He's just like Duterte in the Philippines, wants to appear strong.

What do you do if two NATO countries attack each other?

Easy: Article 5 requires that all the NATO members defend the country which gets attacked. So, if Turkey attacks Greece not only are the EU, US, etc. required to come to Greece's aid but also Turkey itself as a NATO country would have to defend Greece from the attacker. Thus Turkey would have to start to fight with itself or risk being expelled from NATO for not fulfilling its obligations :P

[Netherspark]

He's just like Duterte in the Philippines, wants to appear strong.

What do you do if two NATO countries attack each other?

On the front of it, NATO would do nothing. However, Greece is a member of the EU, and EU members make up a significant portion of NATO. If it came to it, European countries would side with Greece, while the rest of NATO took a step back.

If Turkey should go on an all out attack, and against another NATO member (which is unlikely), they'd probably be expelled from NATO altogether.

[Deleted]

It is certain that we are going to witness a war in our lifetimes (that is if you are younger than 50 years of age). The world has gone for a long time now without a BIG war and everyone does realize that the situation is heating up. It is a given that because of one reason or the other the world will face a war. The current way of life simply can't be sustained and power hungry people like Erdogan definitively don't help. Religion is still too big of an issue in this world (sadly). We are facing climate change, depleting resources, overpopulation and radicalism.

If we are lucky we get another 30 years before the world becomes the reality of dystopian fiction we read.

I admire the visionairies that are trying to improve the world, but I doubt that those few can make a real change.

(don't get me wrong I am not saying that WW3 will start tomorrow. I don't think anything will happen because of Erdogan and greece. All I am saying is that eventually there will be war. It is simply unavoidable)

[Deleted]

It's not much different than what Morocco argues about the Spanish islands by the African coast.
They have absolutely no sovereign claim over them. But they utilize them as proxy to light up certain nationalist sentiments.
Yes, we do wait. When they do seize one (like they did in 2002) we fix it.

Difference being scale, power, and NATO, of course.
I'm ok with giving this piece of propaganda the weight it deserves. But I'm highly skeptical of any of it coming to fruition. If they try, there's plenty of mechanisms to deal with it.

Except Turkey is nato n many times stronger than lil greece.

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It is certain that we are going to witness a war in our lifetimes (that is if you are younger than 50 years of age). The world has gone for a long time now without a BIG war and everyone does realize that the situation is heating up. It is a given that because of one reason or the other the world will face a war. The current way of life simply can't be sustained and power hungry people like Erdogan definitively don't help. Religion is still too big of an issue in this world (sadly). We are facing climate change, depleting resources, overpopulation and radicalism.

If we are lucky we get another 30 years before the world becomes the reality of dystopian fiction we read.

I admire the visionairies that are trying to improve the world, but I doubt that those few can make a real change.

(don't get me wrong I am not saying that WW3 will start tomorrow. I don't think anything will happen because of Erdogan and greece. All I am saying is that eventually there will be war. It is simply unavoidable)

Take off tinfoil hat..

[Raakel]

US: "Can't lose that Incirlik base guys - Swallow it!"
EU: "Yes Sir!"

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Take off tinfoil hat..

Pardon me? What do you mean by that?

Do you seriously think the earth is not going to face war ever again?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA if you truly think that. I don't like to be mean, but if you really think humans are going to live happily ever after for all eternity then you are the single most naive person in the world.

[nextormento]

Except Turkey is nato n many times stronger than lil greece.

Difference being scale, power, and NATO, of course.
It's almost as if I made that case myself; except I totally did.

[Kalis]

Like they did with Cyprus?

Cyprus was not in NATO, hence why Cyprus stood alone and also why a third of the island is illegally occupied by Turkey (Turkey has a huge population, Cyprus a tiny one).


OT: Seems like sabre rattling from Erdogan to whip up domestic support, not anything to really worry about.

If Turkey attacked Greece, then NATO would almost certainly stay out of it, but Russia might not - Turkey has more to lose than to gain, so I don't see it happening.

[Raakel]

*lifting tinfoil hat....*

ssssst shocking fact, many deputy wars going on currently and there's war on interwebs taking place every day. It's already happening, only shifted to other places.

"More displaced now than after WWII"

http://www.unhcr.org/news/latest/201...cord-high.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/wo...eoples-report/