Legion - Subtlety discussion

[Soisoisoi]

Wont work in PVE tho, you will burn through Shadow Dance charges while you overlap their duration.

That's what the normal versions are for. You basically need both.

[Deleted]

Any update on Goremaw's bite hitting for 1000k sometimes? Is it a bug or our hidden ability?

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Any update on Goremaw's bite hitting for 1000k sometimes? Is it a bug or our hidden ability?

Appears to be intended as Blizzard haven't fixed it yet.

[Conjwa]

Hey guys, whats the word on weaponmaster? On warcraftlogs it's showing as around 1-2% of my damage, but it sims about 10k higher than master of sub... Just checking one log I have about 83% uptime on master of subtlety.

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Hey guys, whats the word on weaponmaster? On warcraftlogs it's showing as around 1-2% of my damage, but it sims about 10k higher than master of sub... Just checking one log I have about 83% uptime on master of subtlety.

The only weaponmaster damage that shows, AFAIK, is from Nightblade. The rest is baked into each separate damage source. I.E. Eviscerate procs will just show as Eviscerate damage.

[Conjwa]

The only weaponmaster damage that shows, AFAIK, is from Nightblade. The rest is baked into each separate damage source. I.E. Eviscerate procs will just show as Eviscerate damage.

Oh that makes sense. So I should just assume that sims are correct?

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Oh that makes sense. So I should just assume that sims are correct?

Roughly, wouldn't take them as gospel. But 90% of Sub logs i've checked on Warcraftlogs have been using Weaponmaster

[Rixan]

Am I alone in thinking vigor is the better choice over stratagem assuming you don't have the boots?

Obviously stratagem is the clear choice with the boots but unless youre stacking haste which feels like a long term mistake I find getting 4 shadow strikes off in every dance to be somewhat unrealistic with stratagem

I've spent a few hours on the target dummy the last couple days and it seems I can stay at over 300k for 7-8 minutes straight with weapon master and vigor, but if I go deeper stratagem I usually end up around 270k after the same amount of time

ILvl 864 btw

[PessimiStick]

Am I alone in thinking vigor is the better choice over stratagem assuming you don't have the boots?

Obviously stratagem is the clear choice with the boots but unless youre stacking haste which feels like a long term mistake I find getting 4 shadow strikes off in every dance to be somewhat unrealistic with stratagem

I've spent a few hours on the target dummy the last couple days and it seems I can stay at over 300k for 7-8 minutes straight with weapon master and vigor, but if I go deeper stratagem I usually end up around 270k after the same amount of time

ILvl 864 btw

I prefer Vigor over DS as well. Once you get boots it makes sense to switch.

[Aethys256]

Depends on your haste for Vigor.

[elcapone]

Am I alone in thinking vigor is the better choice over stratagem assuming you don't have the boots?

Obviously stratagem is the clear choice with the boots but unless youre stacking haste which feels like a long term mistake I find getting 4 shadow strikes off in every dance to be somewhat unrealistic with stratagem

I've spent a few hours on the target dummy the last couple days and it seems I can stay at over 300k for 7-8 minutes straight with weapon master and vigor, but if I go deeper stratagem I usually end up around 270k after the same amount of time

ILvl 864 btw

I made a video about deeper strategem/rotation if anyone is interested i will link it. I pulled 324k on heroic Nyth at 867 ilvl as a dps test. I don't have boots.

[Deleted]

Depends on your haste for Vigor.

At what % of haste D.E becames better? around 10% i guess?

[Naiattavain]

Hi guys i play on a rppvp server i mostly talk about pvp balance.

im very annoyed at the fact my last session i was getting camped by groups of alliance 110 demon hunters. being 102 i couldn't really do anything accept log off but i really don't like rogue balance the way that everyone else does in legion. 7.0 7.0 makes me think of the rejected cartoons on youtube when 7.0 went live. i would really like to see weakened armor added back to shadow strike to balance the group gang rape of 110 demon hunters. other than this fact rogue seems to have posture problems compared to other class presentation rogue is lacking on subtlety I think weakened armor would boost my posture while playing the game.

[ymirsson]

Hi guys i play on a rppvp server i mostly talk about pvp balance.

im very annoyed at the fact my last session i was getting camped by groups of alliance 110 demon hunters. being 102 i couldn't really do anything accept log off but i really don't like rogue balance the way that everyone else does in legion. 7.0 7.0 makes me think of the rejected cartoons on youtube when 7.0 went live. i would really like to see weakened armor added back to shadow strike to balance the group gang rape of 110 demon hunters. other than this fact rogue seems to have posture problems compared to other class presentation rogue is lacking on subtlety I think weakened armor would boost my posture while playing the game.

To boost your posture, just stand up straight. And don't mingle with a group of alliance DH.

[Aethys256]

At what % of haste D.E becames better? around 10% i guess?

As soon as you can't get enough GCD per ShD.
Depends on ur energy when you started Shadow Dance aswell.

[Deleted]

Hi guys i play on a rppvp server i mostly talk about pvp balance.

im very annoyed at the fact my last session i was getting camped by groups of alliance 110 demon hunters. being 102 i couldn't really do anything accept log off but i really don't like rogue balance the way that everyone else does in legion. 7.0 7.0 makes me think of the rejected cartoons on youtube when 7.0 went live. i would really like to see weakened armor added back to shadow strike to balance the group gang rape of 110 demon hunters. other than this fact rogue seems to have posture problems compared to other class presentation rogue is lacking on subtlety I think weakened armor would boost my posture while playing the game.

I can only talk about sub since its only spec I play in pvp, but its not in a bad place. After honorlvl 40+ we become extremely high in burst dmg (cold blood+SS spam is insane) and in uti (smoke bomb is still one of the best things ever in bg/3v3). Only problem against DHs is their doublejump/constant dashing combined with delay makes hitting them issue(SS refuses to blink behind them because theyre at melee range, but refuses to hit because theyre too far away). Also they seem to be dodging alot from theyre back which as far I know shouldnt be possible, but might be because gliding causes hitbox issues.

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Anyone else lagging? I think its an ability bar problem, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
In trying to do SS SS EVIS SS SS, after the third cast I get a bit of wierd lag sometimes where I activate the SS but nothing happens even though I'm still in SD. Then the action bar changes and I obviously can't cast SS, which is sub optimal. Is it because I do the SS too late, and I need at least x amount of MS left on my SD before I can activate SS? Or is it genuine lag

[elcapone]

I got the legendary wrists, I was hoping for the boots or ring but what's everybody's opinion on it. I simmed, it increased my dps by another 20k lol. Seems only good for lusts/pot thats when i will be using shadow blades.

Equip: Your finishing moves extend the duration of Shadow Blades by 0.3 sec for each combo point spent.

[Rixan]

I made a video about deeper strategem/rotation if anyone is interested i will link it. I pulled 324k on heroic Nyth at 867 ilvl as a dps test. I don't have boots.

Sure bro post it up

[Steelwind]

Any advice on neck enchants? Different sources are giving me different results...

Trained Soldier (300 mastery)
Claw (chance for 500 crit/haste)
Hidden Satyr (chance to deal damage)

Thoughts?

PS: If anyone has the enchant IDs I can sim them individually...but I don't know how to get the ID without buying the enchant.