Sargeras Spoilers

[anaxie]

You need to ditch the "certainties" and "inevitabilities" from your posts. Nothing you are saying is confirmed or supreme absolute, Blizzard can easily throw a curve ball just because they can (like "all Titans are dead, no Titan expac for you") or need to expand their business.

Seriously, come down a notch and talk in terms of speculation.

if they were gonna milk the lore they wouldnt make all titans dead and make Argus a patch.

think about this for a second

No Villans are being worked on, ALl thats left is the Void Lords, Azshara, N'zoth who ARE getting the build up, and Prophet Zul as a side story and they all happen to be in the central inslands of Azeroth which is the last major Areas depicted in the Chronicle the Definitive ultimate Lore guide to Warcraft.

If the Story reaches its ultimate end in the next 1-2 expansions after Legion putting us at the year 2020 or 2022 by then the last Volumes of the Chronicles will be released and the Chronicles LIKELY NOT to be retconned will be the ultimate definitive guide to the games and fracnhises lore forever afer.

And assuming the Chronicles are the definitive lore guide and are intedned to never be contradicted pangea Azeroth is literally all that was of Azeroths landmass pre Sundering. and the importance with going to places like Argus / Outland / Draenor is these places had portals constructed leading DIRECTLY into these planets. Ultimately what is important to the story is Azeroth and Azeroths Ultimate saftey. Once the final villans I've stated are mopped up the only alternative is seeking out the Void Lords in the vastness of space which would require a timeskip as shown by Anduin suddenly being old in the comics before the final battle against the Light and Shadow in the Exodar.

The stories conclusion is inevitable. Investors or not Blizzard has tremendous finacial success with their other IPs. WoW even in infinite limbo would still hold 1 million subs. Infact some may prefer to play it that way having a definitive start-end and an eventual end to the treadmill. In the long run an eventual stop would also be the greatest thing that could possibly ever happen for the games PVP balance allowing the game to thrive on the PVP scene as eventual balance between classes could be narrowed down.

Think of the game existing in a Diablo RoS mode. Balance updates and the occasional minor thing but for expansions and the story it's at an end. The adventures in Azeroth are what the players make of it now that all the villans are destroyed.

Sounds cheesey but in my opinion its far better than the alternative of dragging the game through the mud with no name villans and no name places pulled out of their ass while the game slowly decays from disinterest. Better to end the games story on a high note on their OWN terms. The publicity from such a thing would be tremendous but it opens way for a new venture without competition of their own brand. The games they have now aren't all their going to have.

They are building up lore and backstories in Overwatch. Just wait until Overwatch has 2 games the FPS and the FPS MMO reviving Titan and with OW having built up the hype and love for the various characters both good and bad it like Warcraft when it launched will have so much momentum behind it that it will sell like hot cakes and strike gold a 2nd time much to the dissmay of other attempted and failed MMOs created.

yes I'm being wildly speculative but it's all very plausible to me. and in the end I would prefer to see a game thrive and go out with a BANG rather then get dragged through the mud of irrelevency after it hits the final story peaks.


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Other planets have resisted. Azeroth isn't special in that regard. There were even those dudes that resisted so well that Sargeras himself actually had to show up and go "cool dude, wanna join?" but they scoffed at him and he promptly destroyed their planet. The Legion always wins in the end and they will win against us in time. Difference this time is that WE go on the offensive. Without Illidan and the Illidari, we would lose.

yes yes the Aldrachi

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YOu do know to find the Void Lords space travel takes time. Why do you think Sargeras demons get summoned everywhere and refuse to come in from the sky.

When we leave to fight them a time skip will occur from patch to patch which is pretty likely.

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if blizzard wanted to stretch expansions Kil'jaeden wouldn't be the final boss of the Midtier and Argus wouldn't be a patch.

They are working on no side villans right now. They are focusing on building up Azshara and N'zoth on the side of the Legion story because they are about the thrust them into our face.

Again its no coincidence that the only cosmic threat left after the Legion is destroyed is the Void lords and the only Villans left on the only Areas of Azeroth KNOWN but not in game are Azshara and N'zoth Two Villans who got tremendous build up in Cata / Legion Nevermind the naga have had a presence in

Vanilla, TBC , a select few naga in Wrath, Cata , and Legion

Void lord travel? They can't manifest in our universe. They're waaaaaay too strong. They can't leave their realm.
You seem to confuse the void lords with the demons. In that, the ships we are seeing are the physical fleet arriving to Azeroth. The Legion is slowly coming here in full force.
Sargeras however, isn't.

"They are focusing on no side villains"
"They're building up Azshara and Nzoth on the side"
Hahaha dude do you even know what you're saying? Contradicting yourself in two sentences.

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if they were gonna milk the lore they wouldnt make all titans dead and make Argus a patch.


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yes yes the Aldrachi

Don't just nonchalantly brush aside everything I wrote like it means nothing. Azeroth is not special because we've defended three times. We are special because we are the first ones to go on the offensive, all thanks due to the Illidari.

[RobertMugabe]

Sargeras is not too big to fight because OMG planet cleaver. Likely he can change his size how else would Azshara summon the Dark Titan in WOTA through a portal in the well of Eternity if he was "bigger" then the entire planet. Or the fact that his "avatars and just 30 foot giants

Sargeras can change his size when he need sto interact with the little people.

and he wants to see our faces while he tried to pwn us after we kick his ass in the Tomb prior to 7.3

Eh no, changing size wouldn't make sense really...

Also isn't the picture of Sargeras slicing up a planet not canon?

[Deleted]

New watered down lore cant hold a candle to multi decade iconic villans and locations like Nazjatar and Ny'olotha and their masters the Void Lords.

The Emerald Dream and Argus are way more iconic and see how they were dealt with. Don't assume nothing, you are falling hard into your own speculations that can't even see that beyond them.

[Jackishi]

New watered down lore cant hold a candle to multi decade iconic villans and locations like Nazjatar and Ny'olotha and their masters the Void Lords.

With the Ultimate destruction of the Legion and Sargeras it should be a BIG hint that the story is heading towards its conclusion.

Um. Void lords weren't even a thing until Chronicles confirmed their presence, until then everyone thought the Old Gods were in total control of their actions instead of being servants to the Void. Most lore stuff in WoW has been implemented piece by piece with seemingly subtle to no buildup, so even with no side stories now I don't see how Blizzard will end things with just Legion and Sargera (and it wouldn't be unheard of for them to drop story hints in future patches). They even confirmed in their panel that WoW's story is far from done, and considering the comic foreshadowing an old Anduin gearing for the final battle, there's still seems to be much left in store.

[Zarc]

Legion IS LEGION 2.0

No it isn't. It's the same Legion, it has been going strong for tens of thousands of years without interruption. The Army of the Light have been off fighting them all over the universe for some time now. They have lost a few battles, but the war has just kept going. Just because we're not always in the heat of battle doesn't mean the war didn't stop. The Legion never ceased to exist at any point since it's founding, it's been going on and on.

Legion 2.0 can only happen when we defeat the Legion leadership, it's stronghold falls, it is defeated as an entity. Then the countless Demons that remain could, in time, start building something new. Like the First Order of the new Star Wars trilogy. The Empire fell, bu Empire 2.0 is back.

[anaxie]

Void lord travel? They can't manifest in our universe. They're waaaaaay too strong. They can't leave their realm.
You seem to confuse the void lords with the demons. In that, the ships we are seeing are the physical fleet arriving to Azeroth. The Legion is slowly coming here in full force.
Sargeras however, isn't.

"They are focusing on no side villains"
"They're building up Azshara and Nzoth on the side"
Hahaha dude do you even know what you're saying? Contradicting yourself in two sentences.

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Don't just nonchalantly brush aside everything I wrote like it means nothing. Azeroth is not special because we've defended three times. We are special because we are the first ones to go on the offensive, all thanks due to the Illidari.

the Army of Light is on Argus before us... Technically!

We are the ones to resist their invasion and actually beat them is what im saying.

BEAT them

beat them in WOTA
Beat them in the 3rd War
Beat them in the The Burning Crusade
And about to beat their ass now

nevermind Sargeras's personal humiliations at our hands

Stormwind killing him as Medivh having his plans fail, Us destroying Varimathras having his plans fail, Us defeating Gul'dan having his possesion of Illidan fail, us kicking his ass in his fallen avatar and having him fail.

Sargeras is super butthurt him and Kil'jaeden have a circle jerk about how much they hate Azeroth in their downtime.

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No it isn't. It's the same Legion, it has been going strong for tens of thousands of years without interruption. The Army of the Light have been off fighting them all over the universe for some time now. They have lost a few battles, but the war has just kept going. Just because we're not always in the heat of battle doesn't mean the war didn't stop. The Legion never ceased to exist at any point since it's founding, it's been going on and on.

Legion 2.0 can only happen when we defeat the Legion leadership, it's stronghold falls, it is defeated as an entity. Then the countless Demons that remain could, in time, start building something new. Like the First Order of the new Star Wars trilogy. The Empire fell, bu Empire 2.0 is back.

I'm saying the First Legion expansion was TBC

went right over your head

[Xilurm]

So what you're saying is, he is a complete and utter dumbass?

[anaxie]

Um. Void lords weren't even a thing until Chronicles confirmed their presence, until then everyone thought the Old Gods were in total control of their actions instead of being servants to the Void. Most lore stuff in WoW has been implemented piece by piece with seemingly subtle to no buildup, so even with no side stories now I don't see how Blizzard will end things with just Legion and Sargera (and it wouldn't be unheard of for them to drop story hints in future patches). They even confirmed in their panel that WoW's story is far from done, and considering the comic foreshadowing an old Anduin gearing for the final battle, there's still seems to be much left in store.

Void lords are an extension of the Old Gods forces

They arent some new enigmatic Force they are just simply the Sargeras's of the Old Gods forces except now we call the Old gods forces the Void Lords forces.

But without N'zoth they can't do shit. So we kill N'zoth and I assume timeskip travel to meet them for the final confrontation in the vastness of the void.

When did I say Sargeras is the end?

I said legion is the absolute end of the Burning Legion.

We have roughly 1 -2 expansions after Legion unless they do Azshara+N'xoth then send us into the Void like they did Argus.

NOW KEEP in mind they want to keep support with expansions up till the next one is out this time around. 2.5 -3 years is prob gonna be the expansion cycle.

2 more years of Legion + 3 years of the Finale expansion wrapping up the last 3 villans THAT EXIST IN THE ENTIRE STORY AS OF THIS MOMENET that brings us to 2021

Think about how long that is and what other projects blizzard would be conjuring up by then. Time to throw the game in limbo. You think you want watered down stories with no name villans after you defeat the greatest threats across the cosmos. But you don't because the disinterest of the non iconic places and villans would hemorage the game worse than anything. GO out on top rather then rot.

[Scathan]

here's my thought process, we defeat KJ in tomb, but he escapes us back to argus where we follow, there the last boss or second to last boss of the expansion is going to be KJ+Archimonde Tag team where we kill both of them on the fel infused planet, with finality. 3rd times the charm right?

[HordeFanboy]

He is way tooooooo strong for us. As guldan said he is a GOD. Imagine fighting with Jesus. You cant win.

[Raetary]

I even think that picture of him cleaving planet is no more than a metaphore.

no, read the chronicles, he really can cleave planets in half.

[anaxie]

He is way tooooooo strong for us. As guldan said he is a GOD. Imagine fighting with Jesus. You cant win.

and we have god weapons that are dissappearing after this expansion.

Jesus was killed by commoners

Gul'dan thought he was the king of badasses and he got his shit pushed in.

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here's my thought process, we defeat KJ in tomb, but he escapes us back to argus where we follow, there the last boss or second to last boss of the expansion is going to be KJ+Archimonde Tag team where we kill both of them on the fel infused planet, with finality. 3rd times the charm right?

I would accept this as a finale or even the penultimate fight before the final battle.

The raid has to be the RAID of RAIDS considering the setting and cast they can use.

an Iconic Dreadlord Council Fight featuring Ticondrius, Mephistroth, Varimathras, Balnazzar, Mal'Ganis.

Hakkar the Houndmaster

Magtheridon

Doom Lord Kazzak 3.0

Lord Jarraxus and Prince Malchezzar.

Talgath

They need to just go all fucking in on this patchs raid and dungeons.

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Um. Void lords weren't even a thing until Chronicles confirmed their presence, until then everyone thought the Old Gods were in total control of their actions instead of being servants to the Void. Most lore stuff in WoW has been implemented piece by piece with seemingly subtle to no buildup, so even with no side stories now I don't see how Blizzard will end things with just Legion and Sargera (and it wouldn't be unheard of for them to drop story hints in future patches). They even confirmed in their panel that WoW's story is far from done, and considering the comic foreshadowing an old Anduin gearing for the final battle, there's still seems to be much left in store.

Everything you said literally revovles around Azshara and N'zoth with the hints dropping now and their Void Lord masters that the Army of Light in the Exodar are heading towards in the comic.

Just wanted to point that out.

Space Travel takes a LONG time decades.
Anduin Comic could be when they arrived .

There is your timeskip. hes not even that old its like 20 ish years from now probably. about the time a war against the Legion and the Cronies of the VLs on Azeroth would take in additon to the space adventure to reach them.

You should hope this happens. The setting could easily be K'aresh for the final battle and have the Etheraels take stage in the game again.

[Piplupzero]

The Old Gods remain quite a challenge for us. The Titans simply plucked one Y'Shhra (sp) out of the planet like he might pick his nose and toss it away. Sargeras beat all the Titans at once (save the one he killed previously) we are not yet prepared to take on Sargeras in his full glory.

The only reason he managed it is that titans are essentially allergic to fel magic and sargeras is a fel being. Our characters have never had that weakness so we have actually been more capable of handling him than the entire pantheon since our inception.

[anaxie]

Since Class hall quests lore is missed by a large portion of playerbase.

here is a hint from priest quests to the future of the game

Nexus-Prince Bilaal is the new leader of the Ethereum, a sinister faction of ethereals who seek to "become void" by using the surge needles left behind by the blue dragonflight in Coldarra and by widening the breach into the Twisting Nether using the poweres of the Nexus Vault.

Bilaal is first encountered as a projection after interacting with the Ethereal Communication Device in the Azure Dragonshrine.[1] Arcane mages and discipline priests in search of [Aluneth] and [Light's Wrath], respectively, later invade the Beyond in the blue dragons' former capital, the Nexus, in order to stop Bilaal and the Ethereum's forces with the help of the blue dragon Azuregos. By the time the adventurers and Azuregos reach Bilaal, however, he succeeds in "becoming void" and transforms into a void revenant. Despite this, the adventurers succeed in killing Bilaal and stopping the Ethereum's efforts.[2

South Seas

The faction city could EASILY be Undermine on Kezan

Home of the Goblin Trade Princes and very likely the Ethereal Consortium and Trade-Prince Haramad.

Our old TBC buddies with an intense hatred of the Void Lords.

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I opened the thread for the spoilers but saw none. What was supposed to be the spoiler?

That we are likely fighting sargeras as the Finale on Argus.

Some people are crybabies with this stuff

[Zarc]

the Army of Light is on Argus before us... Technically!

We are the ones to resist their invasion and actually beat them is what im saying.

BEAT them

beat them in WOTA
Beat them in the 3rd War
Beat them in the The Burning Crusade
And about to beat their ass now

nevermind Sargeras's personal humiliations at our hands

Stormwind killing him as Medivh having his plans fail, Us destroying Varimathras having his plans fail, Us defeating Gul'dan having his possesion of Illidan fail, us kicking his ass in his fallen avatar and having him fail.

Sargeras is super butthurt him and Kil'jaeden have a circle jerk about how much they hate Azeroth in their downtime.

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I'm saying the First Legion expansion was TBC

went right over your head

No, you said "Legion is Legion 2.0" in response to my post, in which I used "Legion 2.0" to refer to the return of an army of Demons headed by Sargeras sometime after we have defeated the current Burning Legion headed by Kil'Jaeden. So given that context, that is not what you said. I'm sure it is what you ment to say, but given the context, it wasn't. But whatever.

[anaxie]

No, you said "Legion is Legion 2.0" in response to my post, in which I used "Legion 2.0" to refer to the return of an army of Demons headed by Sargeras sometime after we have defeated the current Burning Legion headed by Kil'Jaeden. So given that context, that is not what you said. I'm sure it is what you ment to say, but given the context, it wasn't. But whatever.

thats a joke

Ion specifically says we are stopping the legion here and now forever in the panels and the interviews. if you are in denial that is all on you.

[The One Percent]

Why wouldn't he just be at maximum size when he has to fight us and just squish us like microbes if he can change his size as he pleases?

[anaxie]

Void lord travel? They can't manifest in our universe. They're waaaaaay too strong. They can't leave their realm.
You seem to confuse the void lords with the demons. In that, the ships we are seeing are the physical fleet arriving to Azeroth. The Legion is slowly coming here in full force.
Sargeras however, isn't.

"They are focusing on no side villains"
"They're building up Azshara and Nzoth on the side"
Hahaha dude do you even know what you're saying? Contradicting yourself in two sentences.

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Don't just nonchalantly brush aside everything I wrote like it means nothing. Azeroth is not special because we've defended three times. We are special because we are the first ones to go on the offensive, all thanks due to the Illidari.

clearly we go to fight them somehow as evidenced by the Anduin comic as the final battle against light and shadow.

If we cant reach them and they cant reach us the Azshara + n'zoth truely is the end of the warcraft storyline. Without N'zoth the Void lords cant manifest on Azeroth and with their death the last villans are truely dead.

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Why wouldn't he just be at maximum size when he has to fight us and just squish us like microbes if he can change his size as he pleases?

because gameplay

why doesnt archimond just stomp on us? why doesn't fel reavers just stomp on us?

[RyanEX]

if the pillars can seal rifts and tears in Azeroth aka a Titan it can presumably be used on any Titan

The are the pillars of CREATION something likely used to carve azeroth how the Pantheon saw fit.

We can use these to literally unmake Sargeras, carve him up and turn him inside out.

Why do you honestly think the Pillars are so damn important?

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and who are the void lords last minion son Azeroth.

Azshara and N'zoth

Then we get the whole Ion and Khadgar speech. We may of bought ourselves a day or a week or a year but they will be back.

So we go after the void lords.

Sargeras and the Void Lords and their greatest minons the Old Gods of Azeroth and the Eredar Lords KJ and Archimonde are the pinnacle of Warcraft lore.

One of those entire factions is about to be destroyed and for Old Gods ALL their different allied factions and gods are destroyed save two people

Queen Azshara, and N'zoth who reside in the last unexplored areas of Azeroth which is ripe for a great finale for the planet.

as Mentioned Prophet Zul fits as a being the only major villan outside them left for a side story and to flesh out Vol'jin post death.

Undermine the home of the Trade Princes and likely the Etherael consortium and Trade-Prince Haramad likely reside there at this point too. Would make a glorious and uniquely interesting city for the Horde and Alliance

Etherael have a WONDERFUL history with the Void Lords.

and with it being undermine there could be plenty of side story development for Geblin and Gallywix since Naval Warfare may come into play as an interesting new concept and another extension of the Garrison / Class order stuff moving Forward.

I dont think we NEED a new class especially not so soon but that would also be the perfect time to introduce the Tinker into the game. Obviously a Gnome and Goblin only class.

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Remember Illidan wants to explode Argus AFTER we destroy the Leadership so they can't port and escape the planet.

Argus Exploding with the Tomb Open wide has to be closed after we go through it.

What was the whispers in Emerald Nightmare again?

When we seal the portal and are exhausted and just suffered tremendous losses to destroy the legion and a god to achieve ultimate victory.

We shatter N'zoths Prison using the Pillars to seal the tomb. Exactly as was fortold.

With no Artifacts at our disposal and the armies of Azeroth licking our wounds N'zoth ereupts fully unleashed into the World. gaping Maws open with faceless and a endless nightmare pours across Azeroth as Azshara uses her Naga and Sorcery in their full might. We have never seen the FULL might of the naga. its going to be a dire situation at our weakest moments with the fate of Azeroths Soul as the ultimate prize.

N'zoth is the Void Lords last chance to finish their work they can't do anything without them there to work as their avatars. The would hurl more towards Azeroth and return eventually but just like we went to Argus we would seek the Void.

then its THE END

Sargeras was confirmed to be more powerful than the other titans. Maybe that's what happens, we use the Pillars thinking they'd one shot Sargeras only for him to be so OP that all they do is weaken him. And the fight is basically a survival based fight with us trying to stay alive while others perform some ritual to use our artifacts and their power to finish him off.