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    Quote Originally Posted by freakyduck View Post
    You are 100% WRONG here. Sure, those that work in the media have a right to their PERSONAL opinions, but when it comes to REPORTING the "news", their PERSONAL OPINIONS are NOT news.

    News is SUPPOSED to be fair and unbiased. However, that's not the news we see in the US at all from ANY media outlet. They are all biased one way or another and that's the lie that the general public is swallowing. We, the general public, are told that because there are varying "opinions" that support/do not support both sides, it's some how true media coverage, but that's just not true media coverage.

    True media coverage needs to be opinion free and report FACTS.

    We all know that's not going to happen though because all news outlets are more interested in ratings and selling advertising space during their biased programming.
    I don't disagree but it's not really relevant to what I was saying. Media bias is a problem when it comes to journalistic integrity but when it comes to freedom of speech it is the right of any news outlet to be biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aviger View Post
    I can't take anyone who says this seriously.
    This is just code for "people i dont agree with"

    Fox is also "main stream" as in its on everyones satelite/cable :P
    You don't have to take it seriously. Trump took it all the way to the Presidency.

    I don't speak in code, I tell you straight up how I feel. Years ago, I started doing my own research on stories. I try to trace the stories back to just the facts. I cut out all the opinion and spin and try to just get the facts of the story straight. Guess what happens after you do this for a few months. You realize how much lies and garbage the media is feeding people (on both sides of the isle).

    We have the internet, we can go straight to the sources- we didn't need the "middle man" mainstream media, this isn't the 20th. century anymore.

    Trump could just stream all his meetings and speeches that a president would normally give the press access to. We could watch it and decide how we feel for ourselves, without some talking head Grima Wormtongue type guy/gal trying to whisper in our ear, trying to tell people how to think....

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    I simply thought you were supporting the OP who was suggesting a total ban.



    Well if he did that journalists would have access to all of that and would in a society that has freedom of speech be allowed to interpret and write stories on it. And if he did not stream everything that any other president would have given the media access too then that would also be suppression of free speech. I'm all for just getting Trump's policies straight from the horse's mouth (because by far the best argument against trump is just to quote him) but journalists have a right to report on these things.



    Oh only the preservation of free speech. He is the president, it is his job to be objective and impartial towards the media.



    Which is their right.
    I agree that they have the right to twist and lie if they want, we do have freedom of speech.

    I also don't see how trump is curtailing freedom of speech by not working with the press. As I said, he could stream the stuff he would normally give press access too. We could watch and decided for ourselves. The press could also watch it, then they can run out and spin, spin, spin- like they always do. The only difference is that we don't have to bother to listen to their nonsense anymore since we already watched it for ourselves. But the presses' spin will still be there if you want their angle on it.

    Also, the press is hardly impartial. There were so in the tank for Hillary, how can anyone trust them anymore? In college, I took a journalism class. In Intro, the prof said- you can never tell what side a true journalist was on. They just tell the story and the reader makes up their own mind. Journalism like that is dead in this country.

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    UUH! Journalists are just a joke and embarrassment these days. I don't know if we need rules to change the press, or if we need to "reboot it" somehow maybe?

    It's hilarious when they crack on about "freedom of the press" etc when it's devolved so much that the majority of the "news" these days ON ALL SIDES is just biased, unresearched (or fact ignoring) opinion pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    http://www.press.org/news-multimedia...t-donald-trump



    Hopefully Trump issues a resounding "Fuck you" to this letter.

    The only access he should grant is to Breitbart News and Fox.
    When I was young, I (and many others) wondered how people got fooled by Pravda. Sadly, I now understand...

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    If I were Trump I'd respond with a simple 'Fuck you'.

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    The contrast between the quality of the journalists' letter and the OP's commentary is staggering.
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    Realistically now with Bannon in place as "chief strategist" Breitbart is pretty much positioned to take over as the official press mouthpiece of the administration. And you know what, fuck it, let him have what he wants. The main reason Trump's campaign got any traction in the first place was because the "liberal media" gave him billions of dollars worth of free advertising by covering every single thing he said or did, to the point where it was nearly impossible to avoid thinking about him or the election because every headline involved him in some way. If Trump wants to freeze out the media, so be it, let's see what happens when he can't even get on TV and nobody bothers to pay any attention to what he does.

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    The GOP are the ones who did away with the fairness doctrine. They made their bed, time to sleep in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    At that point you may as well cut out the middle man and just institute a state run news agency for all of our "official" state approved media.
    So just like we've had during the entire Obama administration, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macaquerie View Post
    Realistically now with Bannon in place as "chief strategist" Breitbart is pretty much positioned to take over as the official press mouthpiece of the administration. And you know what, fuck it, let him have what he wants. The main reason Trump's campaign got any traction in the first place was because the "liberal media" gave him billions of dollars worth of free advertising by covering every single thing he said or did, to the point where it was nearly impossible to avoid thinking about him or the election because every headline involved him in some way. If Trump wants to freeze out the media, so be it, let's see what happens when he can't even get on TV and nobody bothers to pay any attention to what he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    When I was young, I (and many others) wondered how people got fooled by Pravda. Sadly, I now understand...
    I know, right? We got people literally cheering for the shackles to be put on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by braxkedren View Post
    all of this because he didn't invite the news to watch him eat dinner with his family......
    Lawd have mersah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    The GOP are the ones who did away with the fairness doctrine. They made their bed, time to sleep in it.
    You say that as if the Republicans aren't fully taking advantage of "news" organizations that spread misinformation and lies on TV and the internet. I imagine they'll have no problem at all sleeping in that bed.

    The fairness doctrine wouldn't have stopped internet sites like Breitbart from going full Trump propaganda either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnabas View Post
    Make Steak Great Again! The press needs to give it a rest. Let the guy eat in peace. Nobody needs a camera up their butt 24/7.
    He is going to be president of the united states. This is what happens when your are president. The press follows you around especially when you are already a celebrity. I hope some Mexicans were cooking his steak and gave him some .....

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    Not aware that they were. However, the Obama admin was extremely toxic to the pres and very anti-transparency. From censoring questions in reporter pools prior to white house press's.The obama admin sets new records for using archaic espionage act to go after whistle blowers and withholdings of FOIA requests. Given how biased the liberal media already is, it's kind of a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    http://www.press.org/news-multimedia...t-donald-trump



    Hopefully Trump issues a resounding "Fuck you" to this letter.

    The only access he should grant is to Breitbart News and Fox.

    ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and ESPECIALLY CNN (along with the NY TImes and Washington Post) should be told to go fuck themselves. Let them go cover Hillary, Bernie, et, al,
    Why stop there? I suggest that President Trump and his entire Cabinet keep themselves secured from both the press, and anyone who might possibly talk to the press - they could spend the entire next four years in a sealed box at the bottom of the Atlantic. Put Trump on the Titanic now! It's the only way to keep your President-elect safe! (Don't want his fragile ego crushed by reading mean things about him. Assuming he can read.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    Why stop there? I suggest that President Trump and his entire Cabinet keep themselves secured from both the press, and anyone who might possibly talk to the press - they could spend the entire next four years in a sealed box at the bottom of the Atlantic. Put Trump on the Titanic now! It's the only way to keep your President-elect safe! (Don't want his fragile ego crushed by reading mean things about him. Assuming he can read.)
    And for god's sake don't let an unscripted question hit his virgin ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alydael View Post
    I agree that they have the right to twist and lie if they want, we do have freedom of speech.

    I also don't see how trump is curtailing freedom of speech by not working with the press. As I said, he could stream the stuff he would normally give press access too. We could watch and decided for ourselves. The press could also watch it, then they can run out and spin, spin, spin- like they always do. The only difference is that we don't have to bother to listen to their nonsense anymore since we already watched it for ourselves. But the presses' spin will still be there if you want their angle on it.
    I would be all for that, but he would be working with the press in that case, because he would still be providing them with the ability to report up close on his presidency.

    Also, the press is hardly impartial. There were so in the tank for Hillary, how can anyone trust them anymore? In college, I took a journalism class. In Intro, the prof said- you can never tell what side a true journalist was on. They just tell the story and the reader makes up their own mind. Journalism like that is dead in this country.
    Well to be frank, there are some situations where impartiality is wrong. Whenever there is some tragedy or crisis the media does not remain neutral, it calls the tragedy what it is. Trump has said horrible, bigoted, unprecedented things. The media is biased against trump because he violates common decency, not because of some conspiracy theory. You may as well ask why the media does not give a neutral look at the KKK. If we're talking about journalistic integrity it is not integrity to normalise the behaviour of a man like trump.

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    It's funny how authoritarian the right wing is becoming, after all their whines and cries about small government.

    While Trump is seriously going to do a lot of damage to this country, most of all to the constitution and the rights of citizens, I take solace knowing that his administration has a max of 8 years in office, and hopefully we can limit that to 4.
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    And here I was thinking that the open letter from the press would have said something like "We're truly sorry for the way we have depicted you throughout your entire campaign by routinely taking anything you have said or not said completely out of context and reported on it as fact. We realize that covering only stories that would put you in the worst light possible was not the fair and unbiased way we are suppose to conduct ourselves as media. Also our friends at CNN give a personal apology for feeding questions for debates. We'll try to do better in the future." Too much to ask I guess. Time to get pissed about the new Pres getting a fuckin steak

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    It's funny how authoritarian the right wing is becoming, after all their whines and cries about small government.

    While Trump is seriously going to do a lot of damage to this country, most of all to the constitution and the rights of citizens, I take solace knowing that his administration has a max of 8 years in office, and hopefully we can limit that to 4.
    Now that's some top notch quality fear-mongering, but I'm sure we both agree that you can - and should - aim for more.

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