People say Legion is the "best" xpac to date?

[lazzy]

How?

Sure the leveling/story was fun but outside that it hasn't been amazing enough to be considered the best xpac to date. If anything I'd rate it as either 3rd or 4th but even then I don't know because I played Cata/WoD/MoP all more than Legion.


I don't feel like the game progressed like it did in BC/WOTLK if anything the game regressed and assumes I'm a idiot who will sit at a slot machine all day and press 2 or 3 buttons. The depth of classes is at a all time low and even if the raiding is super cool it's mind numbingly boring to do.


- Legendary system was a terrible idea.

- RNG loot system was a terrible idea.

- Class balance is a mess on top of that RNG makes it worse.

- Class pruning is at a all time high. Prot Warriors getting further pruned soon is hilarious.

- Some classes got gutted to be a shell of their former self. Warlock/Hunter

- Alts are thrown to the side like we aint been using them to fill time for the past 10 years.

- AP/AK is honestly extremely stupid. I don't feel good about doing boring shit to boost it when I can AFK in my Hall for 3 months get 5000% more AP and just go do Suramar and have my entire thing finished in a few days. This is literally what I'm doing with alts right now.

- PvP is probably the worst it has ever been.

What justifies this as the "best" xpac to date?

[Seasz]

You're definitely not mad.

[lazzy]

You're definitely not mad.

Mad? No. Curious? Yes.

[Lplatehealer]

...k (ten char)

[Semune]

MMOs are carrot on a stick games.

People that get easily addicted, get hooked on games like these because they provide constant rewards. Not only does it provide constant rewards now, but it is also a gambling game in that anything can titanforge, and you can also get legendaries. For people that get easily addicted, it is a dream expansion.

I would say that the people who say it is the "best expansion ever" are likely the gambling/easily addicted types.

It does a better job than previous xpacs in constantly feeding that gambling + reward feeling for the majority of the playerbase (both the raiders and casuals).

It probably sounds like I hate it, but I'm still playing, but I recognize the "addiction" factor has been turned up into overdrive for this expansion. I still enjoy the game for it's group puzzle-like endgame raiding.

[Ealyssa]

That ammount of salt is 100% unhealthy.

Get some fresh air, drink water, do something else than playing a video game.

[lazzy]

That ammount of salt is 100% unhealthy.

Get some fresh air, drink water, do something else than playing a video game.

Don't worry friend Legion not being very good has given me considerable amount of time off playing games.

[TyrianFC]

How?

Sure the leveling/story was fun but outside that it hasn't been amazing enough to be considered the best xpac to date. If anything I'd rate it as either 3rd or 4th but even then I don't know because I played Cata/WoD/MoP all more than Legion.


I don't feel like the game progressed like it did in BC/WOTLK if anything the game regressed and assumes I'm a idiot who will sit at a slot machine all day and press 2 or 3 buttons. The depth of classes is at a all time low and even if the raiding is super cool it's mind numbingly boring to do.


- Legendary system was a terrible idea.

- RNG loot system was a terrible idea.

- Class balance is a mess on top of that RNG makes it worse.

- Class pruning is at a all time high. Prot Warriors getting further pruned soon is hilarious.

- Some classes got gutted to be a shell of their former self. Warlock/Hunter

- Alts are thrown to the side like we aint been using them to fill time for the past 10 years.

- AP/AK is honestly extremely stupid. I don't feel good about doing boring shit to boost it when I can AFK in my Hall for 3 months get 5000% more AP and just go do Suramar and have my entire thing finished in a few days. This is literally what I'm doing with alts right now.

- PvP is probably the worst it has ever been.

What justifies this as the "best" xpac to date?

Its the best expansion by far for many reasons. Cherry picking a handful you personally dislike (some of which are laugable - but I digress) makes you look rather stupid.

The biggest ++ reason I think personally, is its made the world feel alive again (which is the result of several systems, such as world quests / artifact power / no flight ) etc etc

I especially liked the humor in your joke about how you could simply not play for a few months - and come back to enjoy the bonus AK/AP. Yes.... you could quit and come back in a few months or years and trivialise current content and game systems - thats correct!!!!!

[rda]

OP, I agree with your general idea and your list of failures is very valid, they are significant.

That said, I don't think it's all that important what expansion is the best. What's important is whether the expansion is good or bad. After 7.1 and plans for 7.1.5 / 7.2, Legion looks to fall onto the side of "good" for me - as in, I personally can probably play it for the entire duration (if they keep up the pace, etc). It's also way better than WoD. So, I don't know if it will end up as the absolute best expansion, but this doesn't matter much.

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Cherry picking a handful you personally dislike (some of which are laugable - but I digress) makes you look rather stupid.

Nothing in the list looks cherry-picked or minor. Nothing looks laughable either.

[Soeroah]

Well, as a lore focused player, nothing in your list even touches why I think it's the best expansion to date.

However, I disagree with a few things on the list anyway. I think the Legendary system works fine, though it is a bit unfair to some players in the short-term, but I love the new crazy effects they have.

I like the AK system, though as a lore focused player my initial goal is seeing all the Campaigns for all 12 classes before the end of the year, so honestly my AK is just building up on my level 110s while I level other characters. By the time I play them, they'll be getting a ton of AP.

I guess I look at the expansion in terms of how long it'll be current. AK doesn't bother me in the short term because in the long term it's awesome for new characters. The lore is fun and content is coming out regularly, so far.

My only real issue is mythic-only gates on things that used to be achievable via heroic group finder, and the general push to get people into manual group content.

[Trumpcat]

The expansion so far has amazing lasting potential. RNG in gear is annoying, I would have to agree, but that is small in comparison to everything else. The content release cadance is great, we are entering the fourth month and there is so much for everyone to do, with more that keeps coming. People who expected to have their main and alts on top of the pile, with bis and with nothing else to do are ending up disappointed. Legion is in for the long run. I have over 15 guildies who came for Legion and plan to stay and based on my personal experience this is the best expansion to date.

[Deleted]

I wonder if people will write these threads until literally the end of time.

[Louz]

What justifies this as the "best" xpac to date?

The way the content is delivered.

Scaling zones.

World quests.

The little things hidden across the zones.

Decent amount of dungeons with diverse enviroment.

Mythic+ dungeons.

EM is a nice entry-level raid.

Warforge/titanforge system, making you not regret running an instance with your freshly leveled friends - there's a chace even for you to get an upgrade (I myself have actually gotten more 880s from a normal EN than heroic).


Legendaries are shit though, and I hate them so fucking much.

Artifact catchup is no catchup, but hey, atleast they've acknowledged it's shit and will be changing it in the next patch.

While some classes are fine atm, some are absolute garbage. Also, some are fine in PvE but suck in PvP and vice versa.


That said, positives definitely outweigh negatives. Legion best expac so far.

[Viking]

Legion sucks. The legendary system is a fucking debacle. 4 legendaries across 4 characters and not one of them is a good one. Not one. Good luck competing w/o one. Ring and neck itemization is fucking horrible. Fuck this expansion.

Yes, I'm mad. xD

The release of content is much better but the negatives put such a black eye on everything that I'm loathing even playing anymore. Getting constantly fucked over on RNG gets old, fast.

[Kayb]

The absurdly poor system aside, how is a legendary all that legendary when everyone has one anyway?

[Deleted]

to me it definitely is the best one.

i started playing in late wotlk, so i didnt experience wow in its "prime" - but out of all the xpacs that followd, legion is by far the best. wod was so bad for my tastes, that i quit playing it after 1 month.

legion on the other hand keeps me extremely entertained. i have a nice guild, raiding is fun, mythic+ is SO much fun - i actually also like the legendary system. the only thing im missing is reforging and queing for scenarios like in mop. im still in the situation where im about to say that legion has too much to do.
i dont have time to do professions, or alts, or questing suramar, because im busing doing both raids in nhc/hc, karazhan and my weekly mythic+ stone.

so yeah - best xpac 9.5/10

[Deleted]

I don't mind too much the titanforge thing as I'm a filthy casual and it allows me to boost my ilvl to do content that is all about this stupid ilvl thing.


I however think that having RNG legendaries is a terrible idea. There is nothing legendary about items that you can get from an emissary box or just after some random dungeon. Why not have a chance of receiving a legendary while going to take a poo? It just feels like a casino cheap design to keep some people hooked and subscribed to the game. The legendary system for MOP was much better than this, and I really though MOP was garbage aside from few things. But as expansions come out, I start to feel that expansions such as cataclysm and mop weren't that bad and it blows my mind.

[Thokri]

Not best expansion but better than last two at least, warorcs of orcnor set bar lower so people think it is best in ages. MoP Raids were good but everything else shit, Cata is bit of a mix, start was good but later went lfr-mode.

[Deleted]

The absurdly poor system aside, how is a legendary all that legendary when everyone has one anyway?

Its the trend video games use these days. To make everyone feel like a weekend hero and pad gamers on the back all the time "you are the best, the hero of galaxies, the badass". Nothing like brushing someone's ego to keep him hooked.

[Blazefrost]

Not the best, but one of. Story so far has been nice (not WoD, so it's already leaping over the bar by miles).

Raid execution has been spotty. A lot more mechanics fights than DPS checks and Gear checks (BUTCHER), but due to that it's more rewarding to the attentive player than the lucky player. There's still room for the skilled player to perform significantly better, though.

RNG legendaries I have a mixed opinion about. The idea they can come from anywhere PvE content rewards you at the end of? Interesting, kind of cool. The fact they drop SO MUCH and people crave them SO MUCH? Bit less cool, but still acceptable. My real issue with these is that they are alterations on specific classes, specs, and roles, rather than interesting changes overall. Will an extra 1-20 fury with Demon's Bite increase my performance significantly? Sure! Is it an interesting and fun idea that shouldn't be within the Artifact tree somehow? No. Some effects are fun and helpful (Shaladrassil's Roots for mail classes, Prydaz's Magnum Opus for anyone), some are just number editors.

While some classes got gutted too much, they at least, in their recent posts, acknowledge there was TOO much gutting. Hunters are getting their traps back across specs, warlocks... need some more help.