If electoral college was ended, could the republicans EVER win another election?

[Seranthor]

Lol you insult first then when someone does it back you cry about how hurtful words are. Retreat to your safe space, little one. If you can't take a jab, don't throw them first.

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Lol no it won't...People aren't going to join the winning side when it goes against everything they believe in.

what 'hurtful words'?

I am sorry that your civics or government teachers didn't teach you that,

Is this what you consider 'hurtful' please, tell me you dont consider the above 'hurtful', because its not, its an indictment of the education you received, not of you as a person. Some people that have responded to this thread simple have not been taught that. It's not YOUR fault.

Now if you want to fight, please communicate that and I will gladly oblige.

[Viking]

I honestly feel that if the electoral college were abolished the way all these liberals want it to be that the republicans would literally never win another election for the rest of all history and time.

Kinda need the electoral college so republicans can get turns with the whitehouse honestly?

Liberal democrat voters will always win the popular vote as far as I'm concerned

Of course that's what would happen. That's why they want to do it. Same reason they are against voter ID laws.

[KSM899]

Yeah.... he hasn't even taken the oath yet. It's also extremely difficult to rule with an ironfist when you have two houses of congress (who are extremely fickle and shellshocked at the moment) and a supreme court to throw a wrench in the gears. Lot of checks and balances to overcome as our last Cult of Personality had to experience (cough Obama).

Trump told many lies .. flat out .. did any of them matter? No.
The media has been fact checking him since day 1 .. did it do any good? No.
He is racist, immoral and self centered, did it matter? No.

Trump had his way with the elections, despite everything, he won. Now, do you think Congress full of spineless republicans who attacked Trump at every turn and then supported him and even defended him can do shit to preserve your so called democracy against Trump?
Unless something really huge happens, US will get it's own version of Hitler.
Enjoy it.

[Torgent]

what 'hurtful words'?


Is this what you consider 'hurtful' please, tell me you dont consider the above 'hurtful', because its not, its an indictment of the education you received, not of you as a person. Some people that have responded to this thread simple have not been taught that. It's not YOUR fault.

Now if you want to fight, please communicate that and I will gladly oblige.

That's the same exact insult I levied against you that you got butt hurt about lol. I was insulting your education, not you as a person.

[Seranthor]

You don't realize this. In 2018 there are over ten Senate seats up for grabs in places Trump won. You can be absolutely certain that Trump will help the Republicans win a lot of those seats and get over 60. Republicans will not only have populist president helping them but also all the money from donors abusing the hell out of Citizen's United while a very substantial amount of donors on the Democratic side have already decided to no longer support the Democrats.

Republicans right now, right this very moment, are one state legislature control away from a Constitutional amendment. They'll get more then just one state next time around. I really think everyone should take a look at how badly mangled the Democrats are in Illinois on a local level.

You'll shout back that Trump will turn away his voters, DO NOT make that assumption. He didn't lose his base after all the stuff that came out in the general. Democrats need to turn it around, they need to get rid of people like Pelosi right now.

the 2018 Senate races have 15 seats up, 2 Republicans, 1 Independent and 12 Democrats... of those Democrats they represent FL, IN, MI, MO, MT, ND, OH, PA, WV, and WI (10 seats)... But as it looks I dont see all 10 keeping their seats, nor do I see the two Republican seats in play changing hands. Could it happen? sure. 2018 is a long way away.

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That's the same exact insult I levied against you that you got butt hurt about lol. I was insulting your education, not you as a person.

What about my education are you wanting to question? I recognized your appeal to popular opinion and dismissed it, because it was a fallacious argument. Now, if you'd like to try something different such as offering one of the drafted versions for me to read then I'd gladly have a look. I also recognized and dismissed your dishonest characterization of 'fear' because I have no fear of the process you are advocating, I simply say if it is to be changed it needs to be done the right way.

So I repeat my question... What about my education are you wanting to question?

[Gestopft]

I'm frankly horrified at how badly the Democrats are going be wiped out. US shouldn't become a one party system but it very likely will be.

I mean, if you ignore that Democrats are more popular among young voters, and that the GoP is at odds with the majority of Americans (especially younger voters) on many many issues. If you don't think the Democrats are going to bounce back, read a history book- and demographics are on their side.

Or did you mean after Trump makes America great again...with many of the same policies that Bush screwed us in the ass with? If Trump does well, it will take longer- but if he screws up- Republicans are going to have to make serious changes to stay relevant.

[CostinR]

the 2018 Senate races have 15 seats up, 2 Republicans, 1 Independent and 12 Democrats... of those Democrats they represent FL, IN, MI, MO, MT, ND, OH, PA, WV, and WI (10 seats)... But as it looks I dont see all 10 keeping their seats, nor do I see the two Republican seats in play changing hands. Could it happen? sure. 2018 is a long way away.

You forgot Virginia. Tim Kaine who struggled to get 30 people at rallies is done for. I'd also keep an eye on Maine and New Mexico.

I mean, if you ignore that Democrats are more popular among young voters, and that the GoP is at odds with the majority of Americans (especially younger voters) on many many issues. If you don't think the Democrats are going to bounce back, read a history book- and demographics are on their side.

Young voters are the most unreliable voting block you could ever depend on, ever.

As for the issues, doesn't matter what the issues are. Marketing matters, selling a message matters, ads matter.

[Gestopft]

Trump told many lies .. flat out .. did any of them matter? No.
The media has been fact checking him since day 1 .. did it do any good? No.
He is racist, immoral and self centered, did it matter? No.

Trump had his way with the elections, despite everything, he won. Now, do you think Congress full of spineless republicans who attacked Trump at every turn and then supported him and even defended him can do shit to preserve your so called democracy against Trump?
Unless something really huge happens, US will get it's own version of Hitler.
Enjoy it.

I won't take it as far as Hitler yet, but this is the scary part.

I don't envy the GoP politicians the amount of mental gymnastics they've had to do, but they really do look like a bunch of timorous invertebrates right now.

[Seranthor]

I mean, if you ignore that Democrats are more popular among young voters, and that the GoP is at odds with the majority of Americans (especially younger voters) on many many issues. If you don't think the Democrats are going to bounce back, read a history book- and demographics are on their side.

Or did you mean after Trump makes America great again...with many of the same policies that Bush screwed us in the ass with? If Trump does well, it will take longer- but if he screws up- Republicans are going to have to make serious changes to stay relevant.

The trouble for Clinton is that although she won Latino-heavy districts, she lost ground in many of them compared to how Obama performed there four years earlier. There are 24 U.S. counties in which Latinos made up at least three-quarters of the voting-age population in 2015; Clinton’s margin of victory was smaller than Obama’s in 18 of them, by an average of nearly 10 percentage points.4 Clinton also underperformed Obama in five of the six counties where Latinos make up at least 90 percent of the voting-age population.

IS this one of the demographics that you were counting on for the Democrats?

In 2012, African-American voter participation exceeded that of white voters for the first time in our nation's history. The black vote made such an impact that, in 2012, it accounted for Obama's entire margin of victory in seven states, which included Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia (Cook Political Report 2015).

Or this one?

Note, Hillary lost Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania (83 Electoral votes by the way)

Yes, I aknowledge the huge margins for the Democrats in both demographics, but even with those it wasn't enough for Hillary to win the election.

[Kokolums]

I honestly feel that if the electoral college were abolished the way all these liberals want it to be that the republicans would literally never win another election for the rest of all history and time.

Kinda need the electoral college so republicans can get turns with the whitehouse honestly?

Liberal democrat voters will always win the popular vote as far as I'm concerned

Future demographics actually favor republicans. When you break down the latino vote by 1st generation, 2nd generation, and 3rd generation, the republicans actually WIN the 3rd generation latino vote. This says latinos ARE integrating into society and adopting the culture. The democrats are currently enjoying a voting bubble because the bulk of latinos are 1st or 2nd generation. Once those die off and are replaced by 3rd generation, you'll actually see a massive shift to the right. California will become a republican stronghold.

The democrats are actually in huge trouble because with every passing election, 3rd generation latinos are a larger percentage of latino voters.

This is actually a situation where if the democrats actually got what they wanted and abolish the electoral college, they would totally screw themselves in the future when latinos are voting republican as a whole.

[Gestopft]

Young voters are the most unreliable voting block you could ever depend on, ever.

The oldest voting bloc is the most heavily Republican and the youngest is the most heavily Democratic. Bernie resonated with younger voters. Obama resonated with younger voters. Hillary didn't. That, imo, is the primary reason she lost. If Democrats can field a less damaged candidate that can bring younger people out, they will win elections again. As I said, how long it takes depends largely on how well Trump does.

[alexw]

You don't realize this. In 2018 there are over ten Senate seats up for grabs in places Trump won. You can be absolutely certain that Trump will help the Republicans win a lot of those seats and get over 60. Republicans will not only have populist president helping them but also all the money from donors abusing the hell out of Citizen's United while a very substantial amount of donors on the Democratic side have already decided to no longer support the Democrats.

Republicans right now, right this very moment, are one state legislature control away from a Constitutional amendment. They'll get more then just one state next time around. I really think everyone should take a look at how badly mangled the Democrats are in Illinois on a local level.

You'll shout back that Trump will turn away his voters, DO NOT make that assumption. He didn't lose his base after all the stuff that came out in the general. Democrats need to turn it around, they need to get rid of people like Pelosi right now.

And I'm frankly horrified at how delusional republicans have become, this post being a perfect example of that delusion.

[CostinR]

If Republicans start winning black voters it's game over for the Democrats, completely game over.

You know that Carrier plant? Substantial amount of workers there are BLACKS.

And I'm frankly horrified at how delusional republicans have become, this post being a perfect example of that delusion.

Am not an American let alone a Republican. I'm a European who votes for a left wing socialist party, yeah a dirty communist. The collapse the Democrats are going to experience soon is the EXACT same collapse I've seen many parties experience here in the European Union.

So take your pathetic ad hominem out of here.

The oldest voting bloc is the most heavily Republican and the youngest is the most heavily Democratic. Bernie resonated with younger voters. Obama resonated with younger voters.

Bernie lost minorities by very large margins against Hillary. Obama won, especially in 2012, because he really resonated with Black Voters.

Democrats cannot win elections without the working class. They are the fundamental base of the party. That includes white and black voters.

Trump did better among Union Households then any Republican in history.

[Seranthor]

You forgot Virginia. Tim Kaine who struggled to get 30 people at rallies is done for. I'd also keep an eye on Maine and New Mexico.




Young voters are the most unreliable voting block you could ever depend on, ever.

As for the issues, doesn't matter what the issues are. Marketing matters, selling a message matters, ads matter.

I left those out of my assessment because they were in states that voted for Clinton this time around, although I do see that their seats could possibly be in play as well.

[Gestopft]

The oldest voting bloc is the most heavily Republican and the youngest is the most heavily Democratic. Bernie resonated with younger voters. Obama resonated with younger voters. Hillary didn't. That, imo, is the primary reason she lost. If Democrats can field a less damaged candidate that can bring younger people out, they will win elections again. As I said, how long it takes depends largely on how well Trump does.

Yes, I aknowledge the huge margins for the Democrats in both demographics, but even with those it wasn't enough for Hillary to win the election.

If your point is that Hillary didn't inspire voter turnout, I agree. See above.

[alexw]

Future demographics actually favor republicans. When you break down the latino vote by 1st generation, 2nd generation, and 3rd generation, the republicans actually WIN the 3rd generation latino vote. This says latinos ARE integrating into society and adopting the culture. The democrats are currently enjoying a voting bubble because the bulk of latinos are 1st or 2nd generation. Once those die off and are replaced by 3rd generation, you'll actually see a massive shift to the right. California will become a republican stronghold.

The democrats are actually in huge trouble because with every passing election, 3rd generation latinos are a larger percentage of latino voters.

What are you smoking? The demographics extremely heavily favor democrats. The young are becoming less republican over time not more -



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If Republicans start winning black voters it's game over for the Democrats, completely game over.

You know that Carrier plant? Substantial amount of workers there are BLACKS.



Am not an American let alone a Republican. I'm a European who votes for a left wing socialist party, yeah a dirty communist. The collapse the Democrats are going to experience soon is the EXACT same collapse I've seen many parties experience here in the European Union.

So take your pathetic ad hominem out of here.



Bernie lost minorities by very large margins against Hillary. Obama won, especially in 2012, because he really resonated with Black Voters.

Still delusional. From your posts you clearly haven't a clue on what you are talking about.

[Kokolums]

Who identify as democrat or republican is not the same as who voted democrat or republican.

[CostinR]

Still delusional. From your posts you clearly haven't a clue on what you are talking about.

9% of Democrats voted for Trump. A county in Kentucky that has voted Democratic for 144 years voted for Trump by overwhelming numbers. Yet I'm delusional? I'd say delusional are those clinging on to metrics of issues and party registration.

http://www.kentucky.com/news/politic...113873383.html

Where people stand on issues and party they are registered to doesn't fully determine who they vote for. In the UK North England is still very proud of it's Labour Party legacy but they voted in very large numbers to give the Conservative Party victory...and the Conservative Party is the Party of Margaret Thatcher who obliterated Northern England.

[prwraith]

If the electoral college vanished. Republicans would have to stop saying racist/xenophobic/ignorant shift and stop quoting the fucking bible as if it was a blanket justification for being a dickhead.

Which is basically what bible thumpers seem to do these days.

[alexw]

Who identify as democrat or republican is not the same as who voted democrat or republican.

Fine then here is how they voted over time -



And this -



Note that republicans made zero improvement in their millennial vote share from 2012 to 2016. All that happened is that democratic millennials disgusted with their parties candidate went third party. Not a single vote went to republicans.