Id vote for kiefer sutherland.
Id vote for kiefer sutherland.
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If 37 electors in states pledged to Trump switch to someone else, then that does not necessarily mean Clinton becomes President. Most likely Kasich would be the 3rd place candidate, and then the House would select either Trump or Kasich. I think the odds of the House selecting Clinton are exactly zero.There is a growing subset of electors that are calling themselves Hamilton Electors. These comprise of people on both sides who are interested in voting in a republican who isn't Trump as a kind of compromise. Thus far, 8 democrats have commited to this, and while there have been signals from some republicans that they are interested, these are being kept very quiet as people very outspoken have already received death threats from both sides (though one more then the other). For the interested, here is a recent article about them on Politico http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...clinton-232195
For those who don't want to click, the article also states that Clinton has been completely quiet about these developments; they're organic within the EC and one of the electors even muses that it makes it easier for them to try to talk to other republicans about coming over to their side. They're edging toward Kasich so far (and I think he's their best bet since hes pretty much the only one left from the primaries that hasn't snuggled up to Trump in some way). He also has good approval ratings in his own state, and beat Trump in the Ohio primary.
We'll know in two weeks. It seems like Pense becomes Vice President either way (the Senate would pick him over Kaine).
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
Yes, by siding with the corrupt Clinton.
Also, to tackle the Bold part. The Electroal college exists to give power to the lesser populated states to ensure a Popularist doesn't ignore them in favor of the large hub states.
You're basically whining Clinton partied for New York and for California and didn't become president of the UNITED STATES.
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Do you guys really think politicians walk around with this idea in their head that they can do whatever they want with no consequences just because they say what the law is and they don't have to follow it? No. They still have to worry about the pitchforks at the end of the day.
And yet it enables a populist to ignore most of the states for a selection of arbitrary swing states. Go figure.
Because urban votes don't matter, right?You're basically whining Clinton partied for New York and for California and didn't become president of the UNITED STATES.
And? My point was that the Electoral college only 'empowers' swing states. Instead of California and New York deciding the election you get Florida and Pennsylvania. Everyone else gets ignored or, at worst, has their votes devalued.
But hey, why bother shifting to a voting system that encourages candidates to reach more broadly, right?
You're hocking that idiotic sentiment while trump girds himself in lobbyists and yes-men?
it also exist, by the founding father's admonition, to allow a knowledgeable group of people to vote against the voters in their state and choose the president if they feel the public in their state chose poorly.Also, to tackle the Bold part. The Electroal college exists to give power to the lesser populated states to ensure a Popularist doesn't ignore them in favor of the large hub states.
You're basically whining Clinton partied for New York and for California and didn't become president of the UNITED STATES.
The EC guy mentioned in the OP is one of them.
And as it stands now, the EC only exists to empower swing states. The flyover states you're ostensibly afraid are being "marginalized" are still that-- marginalized-- in favor of states like Florida. The whole "well they could just get California and New York to vote and they'd win without the precious EC!" is also idiotic. Have you looked at the population breakdown? NnY and CA don't constitute 51% of the US population, or even close. You're defending an antiquated system for no reason other than the fact that it allowed your unpopular candidate to weasel his way into the presidency.
At least be honest with your prerogatives. No need to lie to yourself.
You'll get enough of that out of Trump.
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“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
I've seen people spew insane amounts of negativity, vitriol, and profanity on the class forums and the offenders carry on forever. But this gets infracted. If that is flaming, then half this site should be fucking banned. Can't handle an opposing viewpoint can you? Of course the offending mod is a die hard leftist. Infracting people merely for offending your precious worldview is pretty pathetic.
I agree, the argument that our politicians actually know better than the public at large these days is a horse-size pill to swallow.
Perhaps in the time of Alexander Hamilton when politicians were significantly more educated compared to the population than today I would've been more accepting of this assumption.
Ivy leaguers haven't really been impressing me much lately; their ego is the only thing extraordinary about them.