Exxon’s Rex Tillerson Is The Candidate for Secretary of State

[NYC17]

People whose motivation has been making as much money as possible, immune to making more money. Love this shit.

[Bodakane]

With all the Russian hacking to put Trump in the WH and now a SoS pick with deep Russian ties, its getting close to time to put treason on the table with Trump.

[Kellhound]

Citizens as customers...isn't Government class required for high school?

That is what citizens basically are.

[Kellhound]

you know that the job of an union is to give their workers some bargaining power versus their employers?

The job of a union is to make the union bosses rich.

[PosPosPos]

I would argue that the lack of treating it like a business is what causes the issues in the US.

So not having institutional slavery is what is causing the issues in the US?

[Kellhound]

The country as a political construct has stark differences with a business. the first being that a business has a profit ideal, and a clear owner, and "legal personhood" (in spanish its called personalidad juridica). a country is an amalgamation of 4 different parts: government, nation(s), territory and laws.




i know that, that's why i put the "on paper"

Even a government cannot operate at a loss indefinitely, it is owned by the people (or the dictator as the case may be), and is above personhood.

Nation is a totally separate concept from the legal construct of a state (which is what the word "country" is being used as in this thread). And no, even on paper a government doesnt have to work for the public good.

[Milchshake]

This thread is superior because the OP isn't filled with right wing crowing.

He upgraded his news feed from America of the 1950's to the America of 4 minutes ago.

[Shadowferal]

Even a government cannot operate at a loss indefinitely, it is owned by the people (or the dictator as the case may be), and is above personhood.

You don't live in the US do you?

[Kellhound]

Not at all lol. Unless your only definition of customer is "person whose money is taken"

So, you are saying that citizens get no goods or services in exchange for their tax payments?

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No it is not.

Seems to be what they are best at.

[Kellhound]

So not having institutional slavery is what is causing the issues in the US?

And that has what to do with the price of tea in China?

[prwraith]

No it is not.

Unions had a place at a time but not anymore. Right now they're just a business that parasitically attaches itself to another business.

[Kellhound]

You don't live in the US do you?

Its the only place I have lived in actually. And even the US cannot exist by borrowing indefinitely.

[Kellhound]

Not all citizens pay taxes, the citizens who do don't all get equivalent foods and services for what they pay, and what they pay is based on what they earn not based on services rendered.

So no, they are not customers.

But they all receive goods and services from the government. Some pay more than others, and some have the bill paid for by others.

[usiris]

Its the only place I have lived in actually. And even the US cannot exist by borrowing indefinitely.

And yet, you support a PE that wants to expand spending via infrastructure programs, build up the military more while cutting taxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14

[antelope591]

The job of a union is to make the union bosses rich.

ahahaha.....even amongst a sea of ignorant comments this one was especially funny

[Kellhound]

And yet, you support a PE that wants to expand spending via infrastructure programs, build up the military more while cutting taxes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwdba9C2G14

And you assume I support him because???? I did not vote for him.

[alexw]

The job of a union is to make the union bosses rich.

No it isn't. That's just laughable.

Unions increase the bargaining power of workers and thus increase their wages and conditions. There is mountains and mountains of evidence that this is true. Hell even Orlong won't leave his union because of the benefits it provides.

There are even books written on the subject -
https://www.cairn.info/revue-reflets...-2-page-33.htm

Just google "effect of unions on wages" and read.

[Kellhound]

I got goods and services from my mom and dad when i was a kid.

Does that make me their customer?

Yes, and I am sure you paid for it is a non-monetary manner that was acceptable to them.

[alexw]

Even a government cannot operate at a loss indefinitely, it is owned by the people (or the dictator as the case may be), and is above personhood.

Nation is a totally separate concept from the legal construct of a state (which is what the word "country" is being used as in this thread). And no, even on paper a government doesnt have to work for the public good.

False. Governments can and do exist running a loss in perpetuity. For example here is a graph that goes from 1950 to 2016. Just about every year a deficit was run. Go back 200 years and you'll find the same thing.



Note though the numbers are not inflation adjusted so the deficits of the 1970's and 1980's are wayyy larger than they appear to be.

Governments are not and never will be like businesses. In fact if you understood economics you would find that governments need to run deficits so as to provide savings to the household and private sectors.

[Kellhound]

No it isn't. That's just laughable.

Unions increase the bargaining power of workers and thus increase their wages and conditions. There is mountains and mountains of evidence that this is true. Hell even Orlong won't leave his union because of the benefits it provides.

There are even books written on the subject -
https://www.cairn.info/revue-reflets...-2-page-33.htm

Just google "effect of unions on wages" and read.

The unions did a great job of increasing wages and conditions on the Rock Island, they increased themselves out of a job. Police unions do a good job of increasing the conditions for the police, at the cost of reduced conditions for the public at large (see the forced rehiring of bad cops). When the dust settles, unions are just as evil as corporations by and large.