Liberals should watch this video

[Tijuana]

Oh, hey you do know a thing or two, i´m relieved. So finally a simple question, if you add costs to something, does it become cheaper?

You ticket price is subsidized thanks to taxes, a company couldn´t bare the costs and risks of building tracks in hopes of making a profit off of it. Same with a sewage system, water supply and so on...



You are as far away on beating me as possible. Since you´re telling yourself how the world works, telling yourself you´ve won isn´t all that surprising.

You are starting with the assumption that government strives as hard to keep costs down, as private businesses do. That is not the case.

People who don't understand Capitalism just see that profit as an unnecessary cost, but it's the MOST important cost in the whole equation. The desire to make the profit, is what makes businesses compete harder on pricing. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the businesses to make products that are better than their counter parts. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the business to listen to their customers, and cater their products to them. In addition, the profit margins also provide competition of pricing. If you can't get your costs as low as your competitor, due to whatever advantage the competitor might have, you can still compete by simply taking less profit. The opposite side of that coin, is that businesses have to compete with profits to attract investors. If one company is more profitable, they will get more capital investment.

When the market is truly free, devoid of cronyism, it is by far and away the best way to get the best, cheapest products in to the hands of the consumers. The nations that did not believe in what I just said, are nearly all extinct. Reality > Feelings.

Does this mean we should privatize all industries? Of course not. Many lack the viable diversity of competition for Capitalism to work. Examples of this would be road maintenance, fire departments, health care, and others. These industries fail to have a model that makes private delivery a viable solution.

But, if you are saying we would be better off with one government ran automaker, for example, I present to you the Soviet manufacturer, Lada.

[Mayhem]

You are starting with the assumption that government strives as hard to keep costs down, as private businesses do. That is not the case.

People who don't understand Capitalism just see that profit as an unnecessary cost, but it's the MOST important cost in the whole equation. The desire to make the profit, is what makes businesses compete harder on pricing. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the businesses to make products that are better than their counter parts. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the business to listen to their customers, and cater their products to them. In addition, the profit margins also provide competition of pricing. If you can't get your costs as low as your competitor, due to whatever advantage the competitor might have, you can still compete by simply taking less profit. The opposite side of that coin, is that businesses have to compete with profits to attract investors. If one company is more profitable, they will get more capital investment.

When the market is truly free, devoid of cronyism, it is by far and away the best way to get the best, cheapest products in to the hands of the consumers. The nations that did not believe in what I just said, are nearly all extinct. Reality > Feelings.

Does this mean we should privatize all industries? Of course not. Many lack the viable diversity of competition for Capitalism to work. Examples of this would be road maintenance, fire departments, health care, and others. These industries fail to have a model that makes private delivery a viable solution.

But, if you are saying we would be better off with one government ran automaker, for example, I present to you the Soviet manufacturer, Lada.

I don´t know why you start with an assumption that i didn´t voice and then explain stuff i haven´t contradicted just to agree with me in the end. You probably should read a post or two and not quote someone out of context.

[Glorious Leader]

Agreed but often the essence of the argument that privatization is good is based on efficient private enterprise vs ineffecient public so the disclaimer makes sense

Its an argument for which very little evidence is offered or can be sustained. Weve had 30 years of this particular dogmatic belief (and all things itinerant to it) play out in the real world and its been one failure after another. Of the course the answer to a failure of the "free market" is more "free market" but thats dogmatism for ya.

[Tijuana]

I don´t know why you start with an assumption that i didn´t voice and then explain stuff i haven´t contradicted just to agree with me in the end. You probably should read a post or two and not quote someone out of context.

I probably should not have quoted you. I was speaking to you as much as the other poster a couple posts up, and to the other communists in the thread as also.

[Felya]

Every conservative should watch more Rocco porns.

One of the few times it's embarrassing to know what someone is talking about.

[Tijuana]

One of the few times it's embarrassing to know what someone is talking about.

Enlighten us, please.

[sethman75]

Every conservative should watch more Rocco porns.

I prefer brazzers. Whats the point?

[JohnBrown1917]

So when is the MMO-C Ancap vs Socialist figth startng?

[Captain N]

So when is the MMO-C Ancap vs Socialist figth startng?

You mean the fight that results in the Socialists Winning because the Capitalists will spend more time fighting with each other about who is deserving to be in the fight in the first place?

[Tijuana]

You mean the fight that results in the Socialists Winning because the Capitalists will spend more time fighting with each other about who is deserving to be in the fight in the first place?

The only thing that Socialists win at, is losing.

[Felya]

You are starting with the assumption that government strives as hard to keep costs down, as private businesses do. That is not the case.

It is this case. In the simple reality that the goal of private enterprise is to profit, while the goal of public is to break even. If a private enterprise could charge you more, they would because being in the green is limitless. The only vehicle that regulates prices of private enterprise is the ability and willingness of the consumer to pay. When it comes to healthcare, the willingness to pay is similar if not identical to extortion. What is the difference between the mob telling you pay up or suffer and a healthcare provider telling you to suffer if you cannot afford care?

People who don't understand Capitalism just see that profit as an unnecessary cost, but it's the MOST important cost in the whole equation. The desire to make the profit, is what makes businesses compete harder on pricing. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the businesses to make products that are better than their counter parts. The desire to make the profit, is what drives the business to listen to their customers, and cater their products to them. In addition, the profit margins also provide competition of pricing. If you can't get your costs as low as your competitor, due to whatever advantage the competitor might have, you can still compete by simply taking less profit. The opposite side of that coin, is that businesses have to compete with profits to attract investors. If one company is more profitable, they will get more capital investment.

Let's skip the diatribe of what they should be doing and move to the real world of what they do. The desire to make a profit is what creates massive deductibles, that don't actually provide any coverage. The desire to make a profit, is what removes expensive procedures from your plan. The desire to make a profit is the only purpose of the insurance company who doesn't innovate as your assertion claims, because there is little to inovate when all you are an aggregator. That is what actually has been happening...

When the market is truly free, devoid of cronyism, it is by far and away the best way to get the best, cheapest products in to the hands of the consumers. The nations that did not believe in what I just said, are nearly all extinct. Reality > Feelings.

Really? Why don't you list the innovations of insurance companies, then tell me who lives in reality and who is talking feelings. Unless you can come up with a real justification for claiming insurance companies innovate, I'm going to have to question the reality you asserted in your first paragraph.

But, if you are saying we would be better off with one government ran automaker, for example, I present to you the Soviet manufacturer, Lada.

No one is saying this, but it doesn't stop you from calling them communist. Another example of reality =\= what you are saying. No one is saying your PlayStation needs to be government made, so cut that out of the argument.

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Enlighten us, please.

It's hard core violent porn. I don't know if he spelled the name right, but I have a strange memory and recall seeing the name on porn hub. It's Rocco Saphorini or something... like I said, it's embarrassing... stupid memory, cannot smoke enouph pot to tone it down.

[Klingers]

I'm shocked there are people dumb enough to still think Obama had a two year majority.

It's not about Obama. They refused to compromise on anything. With anyone. Ever.

They fundamentally failed to do their job, I.e. Pass laws. They're the biggest parasites skating by on unearned Government welfare beyond Walmart.

[Tijuana]

It is this case. In the simple reality that the goal of private enterprise is to profit, while the goal of public is to break even. If a private enterprise could charge you more, they would because being in the green is limitless. The only vehicle that regulates prices of private enterprise is the ability and willingness of the consumer to pay. When it comes to healthcare, the willingness to pay is similar if not identical to extortion. What is the difference between the mob telling you pay up or suffer and a healthcare provider telling you to suffer if you cannot afford care?



Let's skip the diatribe of what they should be doing and move to the real world of what they do. The desire to make a profit is what creates massive deductibles, that don't actually provide any coverage. The desire to make a profit, is what removes expensive procedures from your plan. The desire to make a profit is the only purpose of the insurance company who doesn't innovate as your assertion claims, because there is little to inovate when all you are an aggregator. That is what actually has been happening...



Really? Why don't you list the innovations of insurance companies, then tell me who lives in reality and who is talking feelings. Unless you can come up with a real justification for claiming insurance companies innovate, I'm going to have to question the reality you asserted in your first paragraph.



No one is saying this, but it doesn't stop you from calling them communist. Another example of reality =\= what you are saying. No one is saying your PlayStation needs to be government made, so cut that out of the argument.

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It's hard core violent porn. I don't know if he spelled the name right, but I have a strange memory and recall seeing the name on porn hub. It's Rocco Saphorini or something... like I said, it's embarrassing... stupid memory, cannot smoke enouph pot to tone it down.

I like how you clipped this comment out of my post, then made arguments as if the comment didn't exist:

Does this mean we should privatize all industries? Of course not. Many lack the viable diversity of competition for Capitalism to work. Examples of this would be road maintenance, fire departments, health care, and others. These industries fail to have a model that makes private delivery a viable solution.

Why not just discuss issues fairly and honestly?

[Felya]

A simple example of how for profit innovation differs from public. Oil companies are not innovating or expanding into clean and obviously cheaper reusable energy. The innovation has involved a double down on archaic industry, because the cost to switch is too great, regardless of profits that could be earned. Instead of figuring out how to lessen oil and foreign dependence on oil, oil companies fight the public you claim their goal is to serve, with new pipelines and new ways to extract oil through fracking. Neither of which help the public, because unlike American government, corporations are not and have never been of the people, by the people or for the people.

[Deleted]

Does this video really show a gnome eating a banana .. with a spoon?

[Felya]

I like how you clipped this comment out of my post, then made arguments as if the comment didn't exist:

Because I didn't disagree with it. There was nothing for me to discuss...

Why not just discuss issues fairly and honestly?

If you wanted an honest discussion, you would respond to the points I am making. Instead of focusing on me removing something where it should be obvious we agree and I had nothing to add that hasn't been covered. Do you want a bitch fest over which one of us ignored the most out of each other's posts? Because I will objectively win for cutting out less and I bet my reason for doing it, is far more obvious that yours.

[Deleted]

You are commiting major hipocrisy with calling out a general group, accuse them of insulting people without substansiated argument, and then proceed to do the same yourself.

You are basically just flinging poop, at people you don't like. Because they think thoughts you do not like.

Is this some sort of disease in the US? Where just because someone thinks a different political way contra you, it triggers you to the degree of you becoming a rabies-ridden dog?

OT: There have been studies to why Trump won (Was in another thread, think Endus was involved in regards to that). People viewed it as that he offered economical solutions for them, compared to Hillary. Iirc. But it's easier to just go "LIBERALS, SUCK ON DEEEEEEEESE NUTS" and then pretend that it's intelligent conversation with the guise of big words.

[Deleted]

Seems i watched the wrong video.

[PosPosPos]

Yes it's true. I know liberals have trouble with the concept of paying for public services. Hence why you all like to call it 'free healthcare'. or 'free education'. What is the US debt levels again?

Explains why blue states have to pay through their noses for red states.

Oh wait.

[Zecora]

Is this some sort of disease in the US? Where just because someone thinks a different political way contra you, it triggers you to the degree of you becoming a rabies-ridden dog?

Pretty much. Of course, the politicians and media there have been encouraging it for decades.