Obama: I'm confident I could have won a third term as president

[nacixems]

Good read on Politico.. if you dare. im sure the Obama loving crowd will find some reason to refute this. lol
http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...n-trump-214557

cling to that assumption, without exploring the evidence that suggests otherwise, may prompt Democrats to think all they need is another charismatic candidate to fix their political problems. The Democratic Party’s problems run much deeper.

[Nihilanth]

Under Obama's leadership the democratic party loss:

The House
The Senate
The majority of governorships
The White House

What a great leader he was.

[I Push Buttons]

From NPR.

Basically the very rich are making even more money, and people between 0-9K pay MORE. Fucking genius.

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/13/501739...rumps-tax-plan

I hate Trump, but what you are saying right there is false.

Do you see the standard deduction increase?

Any single person making less than $15,000 or married couple making less than $30,000 would pay no income tax. The standard deductions would bring their taxable income to $0.

[Elegiac]

Under Obama's leadership the democratic party loss:

The House
The Senate
The majority of governorships
The White House

What a great leader he was.

Still more popular than Trump, oddly enough.

[Army Dreamer]

Drones is still best stand up joke honestly.

I'm still convinced it is an "arab "spring"".

[Nihilanth]

Still more popular than Trump, oddly enough.

With Trump at the helm, the Republicans gained/maintained:

The White House
The Senate
The House
The majority of governorships.

I don't know if in the the liberal dogma race takes precedence over gender, or if they view it as being equal. In any rate, Trump beat Hillary Clinton, a woman, effortlessly. I' sure he would have beat a "_insert race here other than white_" democratic candidate as well.

Obama only qualification or draw is that he is a black man. Clinton's was that she was a woman.

All these no substance, run of the mill candidates would have lost against Trump.

[Kathandira]

The biggest joke this year is that Americans actually voted Trump in

Whoa. A wild @adam86shadow appears. Was just thinking about you the other day. Missed ya!

[Elegiac]

With Trump at the helm, the Republicans gained/maintained:

The White House
The Senate
The House
The majority of governorships.

Which doesn't dispute what I said in the slightest. It demonstrates the Democrats lacking a strong local focus, shit voter turnout, and plain old nonrepresentative systems.

I don't know if in the the liberal dogma race takes precedence over gender, or if they view it as being equal. In any rate, Trump beat Hillary Clinton, a woman, effortlessly. I' sure he would have beat a "_insert race here other than white_" democratic candidate as well.

I'm not sure how you think being either a woman or a black man represents a demographic advantage when running for office.

Obama only qualification or draw is that he is a black man. Clinton's was that she was a woman.

Yeah, that whole being Senators and then a Cabinet member in the case of the latter totally isn't qualification.

All these no substance, run of the mill candidates would have lost against Trump.

Trump has substance?

[Adam Jensen]

Fits exactly the criteria I said, "give me links.... I mean don't give me links I don't like though."

Is it that hard to understand there are sites*cough*breitbart*cough* that are so biased they are disreputable?

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The ironic thing is hillary basically was obamas third term, and people noped the fuck out.

Difference is Obama had no scandals hanging over his head.

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Trump has substance?

Hot air is a substance.

[Nihilanth]

I'm not sure how you think being either a woman or a black man represents a demographic advantage when running for office.

Wasn't that the whole point of this election from the democratic point of view? Elect a woman, make history? Break the so-called glass ceiling, or some shit like that?

For liberals it didn't matter if she was a lying, corrupt incompetent hack. She had a vagina.

Yeah, that whole being Senators and then a Cabinet member in the case of the latter totally isn't qualification.

Community organizer, 1 term senator. Not impressive.

She was a terrible Sec. of State. She had no record to run on. Why would the american people vote for a career politician that hasn't accomplished anything in 30 years?

[Elegiac]

Wasn't that the whole point of this election from the democratic point of view? Elect a woman, make history? Break the so-called glass ceiling, or some shit like that?

Even if that were true - again, how would this represent a demographic advantage?

For liberals it didn't matter if she was a lying, corrupt incompetent hack. She had a vagina.

So I'm entirely justified in broadbrushing the entirety of Trump voters as ignorant racists, then?

Community organizer, 1 term senator. Not impressive.

She was a terrible Sec. of State. She had no record to run on. Why would the american people vote for a career politician that hasn't accomplished anything in 30 years?

Because the alternative is a celebrity playing at business pretending that it qualifies him for political office.

[Pterodactylus]

Under Obama's leadership the democratic party loss:

The House
The Senate
The majority of governorships
The White House

What a great leader he was.

The right is really good with their messaging - or maybe the lemming-like nature of their audience makes it easy?

[Christonya]

HAHAHAHAHA! He's 4 months early for April Fools.

He would have won a third term. No question about it. Mostly because his competition would have driven voters to him.

[Masark]

Community organizer, 1 term senator. Not impressive.

3 term state senator.

[Nihilanth]

Even if that were true - again, how would this represent a demographic advantage?

If she wasn't a woman, or he a black man, I don't think people would be even considering them as candidates for the presidency.

So I'm entirely justified in broadbrushing the entirety of Trump voters as ignorant racists, then?

That word has lost all meaning. Liberals used and abused it until most people don't give a shit anymore.

Because the alternative is a celebrity playing at business pretending that it qualifies him for political office.

At least he made millions, ran a successful business, created thousands of jobs, and built a ton of infrastructure.

As opposed to a bought politician that couldn't do a good job and let Americans die at Benghazi, and then put the security of the nation at risk when used a secret email server.

[Sky High]

Obama would have moped the floor with Trump. The only real issue he could go after Obama on is his trade policies, but that could easily be countered with his moves to both overtime pay and the minimum wage. People seem to forget or rather ignore how high Trumps unfavorables were all the way up to election night and how high Obamas approval ratings are.

[Elegiac]

If she wasn't a woman, or he a black man, I don't think people would be even considering them as candidates for the presidency.

That word has lost all meaning. Liberals used and abused it until most people don't give a shit anymore.

I'm confused - you lot are claiming that people voted for Trump because Democrats were calling them racists, and at the same time you're claiming that people don't give a shit about being called racists.

Which is it?

At least he made millions, ran a successful business, created thousands of jobs, and built a ton of infrastructure.

If you mean cruising on inherited wealth and plastering his name on businesses which do better when he is not directly involved lest they go bankrupt like the enterprises which he directly oversaw, sure.

You seem not to understand how easy it is in the US for people who have money to make money. There comes a point at which wealth reproduces itself, which is what enables Herr Drumpf to weather his string of bankruptcies and lawsuits. Even then, we have no way of confirming whether or not he is actually worth what he says he is, given his refusal to release the entirety of his fiscal records - it may very well be the case that if his holdings were liquidated, he'd be in debt.

As opposed to a bought politician that couldn't do a good job and let Americans die at Benghazi, and then put the security of the nation at risk when used a secret email server.

Still better than the alternative. Hillary was a known factor and wasn't prone to 3AM twitter rants that threaten to undermine decades of foreign policy.

[NineSpine]

If she wasn't a woman, or he a black man, I don't think people would be even considering them as candidates for the presidency.

That word has lost all meaning. Liberals used and abused it until most people don't give a shit anymore.

At least he made millions, ran a successful business, created thousands of jobs, and built a ton of infrastructure.

As opposed to a bought politician that couldn't do a good job and let Americans die at Benghazi, and then put the security of the nation at risk when used a secret email server.

Except he DIDN'T MAKE millions. He inherited a massive amount of money, and all evidence shows that he has grown it at a slower rate than even the safest and most modest mutual fund would have. His financial growth has been slower than the S&P 500. Furthermore, he lost over $800M when he built three competing casinos right next to each other and cannibalized his own business, because he prioritized his image as an owner of three casinos over whether it actually made business sense. He has NEVER recovered from that loss, even though it was over twenty years ago, and we know this because he is still claiming tax exempt status for the losses.

He hasn't built anything. Most of his success has been licensing his name. He got in trouble multiple times on the campaign trail for claiming to own or have built businesses that he licensed his name to and did nothing else for. American banks stopped lending to him, because he refuses to pay his debts, which is why he has massive debts to multiple foreign banks now.

You are whining about bought politicians while supporting Trump, who has appointed more big donors to his cabinet than any President in history. You are a chump, and you got conned, and now you are begging for more.

[Felya]

If she wasn't a woman, or he a black man, I don't think people would be even considering them as candidates for the presidency.

Objectively false... Not only did Hillary have some of the best credentials of any president, she was even selected as most likely to be president in her college.

At least he made millions, ran a successful business, created thousands of jobs, and built a ton of infrastructure.

Both Hillary and Obama came from middle income homes, to earn the spot to be running for president. Not only did Trump do, what I bet the vast majority of Americans would, with a silver spoon firmly pressed in their mouth, but your argument is for a plutocracy.

As opposed to a bought politician that couldn't do a good job and let Americans die at Benghazi, and then put the security of the nation at risk when used a secret email server.

No, show me where she was bought? And I don't mean conspiracy theory of her appointing people to positions she never had control over. More a kin to something like the second highest donor to only Trump him self, being appointed as the small business administrator, without any experience in small business. How about the difference an Exxon CEO that Trump proposed as the Secretary of State, what would he do different with Benghazi? Trade oil with someone?

If your issue is pay to play, there is nothing Clinton has done in her entire career like the friendly appointment of Trump buddies in less than 2 months. You got conned...

[Nihilanth]

I'm confused - you lot are claiming that people voted for Trump because Democrats were calling them racists, and at the same time you're claiming that people don't give a shit about being called racists.

Which is it?

Liberals think that calling people racist, or any other epithet, gives them the moral high ground. Normal people see them for what they are: bigots that can't tolerate a difference of ideas. That kind of behavior is one of the main reason as to why me, and many others, detest the left with a visceral passion.

If you mean cruising on inherited wealth and plastering his name on businesses which do better when he is not directly involved lest they go bankrupt like the enterprises which he directly oversaw, sure.

He got a loan from his father and turned it into a multi-billion company. He's a businessman and an entrepreneur. Enterprises failing is part of the deal when you are in that line of work; you can't expect every single one of your ideas to be successful. But he has had a lot of success, which is a testament on its business acumen. To call him a failed businessman or say that he doesn't know what he is doing, when he is one of the riches people in America, is just retarded.

You seem not to understand how easy it is in the US for people who have money to make money. There comes a point at which wealth reproduces itself, which is what enables Herr Drumpf to weather his string of bankruptcies and lawsuits. Even then, we have no way of confirming whether or not he is actually worth what he says he is, given his refusal to release the entirety of his fiscal records - it may very well be the case that if his holdings were liquidated, he'd be in debt.

Fortunes come and gone in America. Trump has kept his, and increased it.

Still better than the alternative. Hillary was a known factor and wasn't prone to 3AM twitter rants that threaten to undermine decades of foreign policy.

Nope, Hillary was garbage and that's why she didn't got elected. Period, the end.