France bans child beating

[LilSaihah]

What gets me is how you pulled that from somewhere the sun don't shine, circumcision is a religious practice at best and has no benefits. A spank on the backside however teaches a child respect to their piers.

Why would you disrespect a pier? Where else would you put your boats?

[Jokerfiend]

Cant really get behind a ban. Some situations, a spanking is really the only option.

"Don't you dare run into a busy street again, or you'll lose X for a month" doesnt really seem to get the point across. My sister was a darter, and that was the ONLY way she learned. Trying to talk it out or grounding didnt work at all.

Found the parent that hits their kid(s).

Inability to teach, without violence, is something you take out on your kid when you hit them. Lacking the skill isn't an excuse for violence.

Your parents put fear into your sister, not because she understood traffic and the implications. But because she feared getting a spanking.

It's called Negative Operant Conditioning. In fact it's proven time and time again, that it does more harm than good.

https://prezi.com/e1scccs0z22t/outco...al-punishment/

You might argue better than dead from running out into the street. If that's how you feel then there is no discussion to be had. You are OK with violence and will see nothing wrong with it. Won't see the short sighted goals, because you "seen" the "effectiveness" of the case.

Do some reading, if you still are OK with violence in teaching, then there is something wrong with you.

[Deleted]

if your going to run around throwing shit at people, biting them, tripping them up, throwing water around the office or workplace, or steal from people in front of them, then yes, you deserve slap. Actually if you were doing that in a store or office, security would probably tackle you to the ground and crack a rib.

"Gershoff and Grogan-Kaylor tested for some long-term effects among adults who were spanked as children. The more they were spanked, the more likely they were to exhibit anti-social behavior and to experience mental health problems. They were also more likely to support physical punishment for their own children, which highlights one of the key ways that attitudes toward physical punishment are passed from generation to generation."

I don't think it's out of the question to suggest that you don't have a sound judgement, if you genuinly believe that sprinkling water warrants physical harm to the level of breaking bones.

[Trassk]

Why would you disrespect a pier? Where else would you put your boats?

and I'll follow that up with a big middle finger to kindle auto correct.

[Ol Scratch]

It's a dishonest and quite ignorant assesment to believe that all science conducted is some form of misguided attempt at making money.

If only I had said that!

What I actually said -- or rather implied -- is that the "studies" you people keep referring to are about people who beat their kids, rather than just disciplining them like humans have for the entirety of human existence. Even wild animals fucking do it, both predator and prey, because it is an effective tool for rearing children who don't grow up to be self-entitled pricks who threaten to burn down their parent's house and watch their parents burn to death (as one such self-entitled prick stated in this thread already).

Especially when there just was a case concluded, of 50 years of studying and 160.000 subjects.

Asking all the wrong questions on a questionnaire, and getting their information second-hand. Rather than performing an actual study on the subject. Sorry, but a questionnaire of people's opinions and personal outlooks doesn't mean jack shit to me.

It begs to ask the question on why you would be so verbose on the subject about it, if you already are driven to conclude your own judgement regardless of the amount of findings saying otherwise. The findings answer that.

Nope, but not for that reason. I won't be changing my view any time soon thanks to the findings of the entirety of the human race. Including the last 30 or so years; 30 or so years in which kids have grown up to be spoiled, self-centered douchebags, almost all of whom are "anti-spanking" advocates, too.

But you'd rationalize that away too, i suspect.

No more than you'll ignore entire potions of a post just because you have no real rebuttal, and can't formulate a thought of your own to save your fucking life.

[Crissi]

Found the parent that hits their kid(s).

Inability to teach, without violence, is something you take out on your kid when you hit them. Lacking the skill isn't an excuse for violence.

Your parents put fear into your sister, not because she understood traffic and the implications. But because she feared getting a spanking.

It's called Negative Operant Conditioning. In fact it's proven time and time again, that it does more harm than good.

https://prezi.com/e1scccs0z22t/outco...al-punishment/

You might argue better than dead from running out into the street. If that's how you feel then there is no discussion to be had. You are OK with violence and will see nothing wrong with it. Won't see the short sighted goals, because you "seen" the "effectiveness" of the case.

Do some reading, if you still are OK with violence in teaching, then there is something wrong with you.

I have no kid to hit. I was ok with my spankings, which were extremely rare and only when i royally fucked up something serious.

Ive also been through actual abuse, so I can tell between the 2. What you think of me is irrelevent. When I do have kids, I hope I never have to spank them. *shrug*

[Trassk]

I don't think it's out of the question to suggest that you don't have a sound judgement, if you genuinly believe that sprinkling water warrants physical harm to the level of breaking bones.

I know often a for instance can go over peoples heads, but you really should look up more.

[Cebel]

Good? You shouldn't hit children.

The problem with todays society is our children are raised with no discipline. God forbid you get a spanking. We wouldnt want to hurt our soft childrens frail egos.

[Deleted]

If only I had said that!

What I actually said -- or rather implied -- is that the "studies" you people keep referring to are about people who beat their kids, rather than just disciplining ..

No more than you'll ignore entire potions of a post just because you have no real rebuttal, and can't formulate a thought of your own to save your fucking life.

""Our analysis focuses on what most Americans would recognize as spanking and not on potentially abusive behaviors," says Elizabeth Gershoff"

The irony.

[Underverse]

I can't approve of using violence against children in any circumstance, but I'm not sure a ban is necessary.

[Jokerfiend]

If only I had said that!

What I actually said -- or rather implied -- is that the "studies" you people keep referring to are about people who beat their kids, rather than just disciplining them like humans have for the entirety of human existence. Even wild animals fucking do it, both predator and prey, because it is an effective tool for rearing children who don't grow up to be self-entitled pricks who threaten to burn down their parent's house and watch their parents burn to death (as one such self-entitled prick stated in this thread already).

You always have the option to discipline without violence, choosing to use violence is on you.

When you CHOOSE to use violence, you one with the problem. Not the child. You are the one that lacks the skill to teach, not that child lacks discipline.

[Zeta333]

Good? You shouldn't hit children.

you shouldnt beat the shit out of children, you should smack or spank children depending on the situation and what they do. Maby if more millennials had goten smacked as children they wouldnt be such a worthless generation.

[Deleted]

I know often a for instance can go over peoples heads, but you really should look up more.

The fact that you'd suggest it as fesible, is what was disconcerning ; nothing else.

[Cebel]

No, it really isn't.

And if you think it is, you aren't ready to have kids.

I guarentee your kids are the annoying ones ruining my overwatch games by screaming the n-word in the mic and trolling because they've likely never had their poor cute little ego's bruised and get whatever the fuck they want.

" OH whats that little pateuvasiliu? You disobeyed your mother and threw your shit onto the wall? Bad boy, here have a Popsicle, and remember, dont do it again!"

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you shouldnt beat the shit out of children, you should smack or spank children depending on the situation and what they do. Maby if more millennials had goten smacked as children they wouldnt be such a worthless generation.

Amen.

[Kapadons]

Never understand the liberal left. Totally cool to scramble your unborn babies brains and suck em out into a vacuum and stick em in a trash bin. But don't smack em on the ass when they are out of control.... smh

Physical deterrent to wrong doing has been done since the dawn of human existence. It's been proven as a cheap and highly effective learning tool with minimal consequences when used correctly.

More importantly , it shouldn't be another persons and therefore the governments job to determine how you punish your child. Thank god I live in the good old Us of A.

[Masark]

Physical deterrent to wrong doing has been done since the dawn of human existence. It's been proven as a cheap and highly effective learning tool with minimal consequences when used correctly.

"We were ignorant for a long time and that's the way I like it! Get your damn learning out of here!"

[Jokerfiend]

I have no kid to hit. I was ok with my spankings, which were extremely rare and only when i royally fucked up something serious.

Ive also been through actual abuse, so I can tell between the 2. What you think of me is irrelevent. When I do have kids, I hope I never have to spank them. *shrug*

See, you can't tell the difference. One because you allowed yourself to be abused because you didn't know the difference and, 2, you see no problem with inflicting violence to teach a lesson.

I know abuse as a child. Not spankings, not slap on the wrists, but bloody nose, cuts on over the eye and black eyes. Hit so many times I can't sit down. Bruises from getting choked out and thrown up and down stairs.

You need to read. Read. Read peer reviewed studies on Corporal Punishment and its effectiveness. Then come back and tell me how wrong your parents were. It will honestly change your mind.

But you won't, because you are OK with violence. Because I'm sure the abuse you went through sure taught you a lot right?

Corporal Punishment DOES NOT WORK IN THE LONG RUN.

[alexw]

you shouldnt beat the shit out of children, you should smack or spank children depending on the situation and what they do. Maby if more millennials had goten smacked as children they wouldnt be such a worthless generation.

?????

By most metrics millennials are shaping up to be the next "greatest generation" and vastly better than their elders particularly the self-centered boomers, so I don't know where you get your daft ideas from.

[MrLachyG]

Does this mean if I go to France on holiday with my kids that I'm unable to utterly destroy them at games like UNO, Chess etc?

[Wyrt]

?????

By most metrics millennials are shaping up to be the next "greatest generation" and vastly better than their elders particularly the self-centered boomers, so I don't know where you get your daft ideas from.

Blaming millennials for everything is basically a meme at this point.