Should the Copts have their own state?

[Stelio Kontos]

His place of origin caused the issue to begin with ( He's Saudi afaik ), with a force that arrived and started Islamic conversions on local indigenous Copts and the Arabization of the culture.

Gosh..

That's true, Arabs have historically been adamant about stomping out local cultures in the areas they conquered. So many antique Mediterranean cultures have been erased or severely diminished and assimilated after the 7th century. It's basically down to Greeks, Israelis, and a few sparse near Eastern Christians (in the eastern Mediterranean) in a sea of Islamic Arabs and Arabicized populations from Iraq to Morocco.

[Kalis]

That was no worse than the Romans imposing Christianity on them in the first place, which must have especially sucked given how much of the Bible is dedicated to vilifying Egypt and painting THEM as the big evil bastards oppressing everyone.

Egypt took up Christianity well before any state imposition. You're about a century or so out.

[Flutterguy]

yeh fuck a better world without imaginary gods telling people to kill each other, or people killing or discriminating against each other based on thier religion.

So they'll kill each other and discriminate based on something else.

[Zeta333]

So they'll kill each other and discriminate based on something else.

at least it wont be off imaginary bullshit.

[Flutterguy]

at least it wont be off imaginary bullshit.

Do you believe in human rights?

[Shadowferal]

Holing yourself up in your own little magic fairy land where no other cultures ever enter has never worked out well in the history of the world. No, seriously it hasn't.

Looking at Israel that's probably true.

I don't think that providing ethnic groups with their own individual nation-states is a way to mitigate tensions. It certainly didn't work out that way for Israel. Better to encourage better integration and acceptance, wherever they make their homes.

Plus the pretty darned arrogant idea that we can "give" them a state of their own.

Not an ethnic group more so a religious..
But I agree that it's not a good idea.

[Techno-Druid]

Looking at Israel that's probably true.


Not an ethnic group more so a religious..
But I agree that it's not a good idea.

Ethno-religious group, sort of like the Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Beta Jews (or any Jewish group for that matter).

[Zeta333]

Do you believe in human rights?

the right to rule a country and kill in the name of an imaginary being is not an inane human right.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Why would Egypt accept that?
"I don't like these people and don't want them to exist."
"What if we put them in a corner and you don't go there."
"Isn't that my corner?"
"..."
It's hard to find solutions of coexistence when at least a portion of one party wants the other to not exist at all. Giving them an area of egyptian land is likely to cause more tension, not less.

[zealo]

There's no way giving any religiously ethnic group their own state out of already owned land won't end in violence, especially considering the dominant state of Islam in the regions east and south of say Anatolia (and even they are becoming less secular), and that the land given to them won't be done so freely by Egypt at any rate.

[Deleted]

And here we are, 21. century and people are actually asking for MORE states? oO wtf

[Austilias]

There's no way giving any religiously ethnic group their own state out of already owned land won't end in violence

When one of those religiously ethnic groups proves itself consistently incapable of living peaceably alongside those beyond its group, it's not the worst idea.

[Deleted]

That was no worse than the Romans imposing Christianity on them in the first place, which must have especially sucked given how much of the Bible is dedicated to vilifying Egypt and painting THEM as the big evil bastards oppressing everyone.

Copts are older than Roman Christianity.

[Direpenguin]

yeh fuck a better world without imaginary gods telling people to kill each other, or people killing or discriminating against each other based on thier religion.

Once again, you assume religion is the cause, and not a rationalization, for violence between people. How do you explain violence and discrimination not based upon religion? An aberration?

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Instead of creating a ton of micronations for every last group of randos, maybe we should just learn to play nicely with the other children.

Present one time, in the history of the world, where people have learned to play nicely.

[Revi]

Where would that state be?

[Milchshake]

Surprised that no one has brought up the most relevant analog. With US led backing, the South Sudan won independence back in 2011. It was supposed to be a more "christian" and more "democratic" improvement in the area. After being liberated from the tyranny of Sudan. Its been in civil war for the 4 of the past 5 years, and is near the top of the list of failed states.
Kosovo is also near the top of that list. Two great examples of some guys in the west insisting that some people deserve their own ethno-religious emclave in some shitty part of the world.
The best part is the historical amnesia. These guys quickly forget how their last project failed, while they go on planning their next project. I guess they're so bored living in a stable multicultural democracy, they need to fantasize about living in some more pure state.

[Zeta333]

Once again, you assume religion is the cause, and not a rationalization, for violence between people. How do you explain violence and discrimination not based upon religion? An aberration?

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Present one time, in the history of the world, where people have learned to play nicely.

I never said religion was the only cause of violence, but it is a massive one. Just like how people dont only die from cancer, but it kills alot regardless. We shouldnt ignore it cus people will still do stuff outside of it.

[monkmastaeq]

Sure , UN can give them land , then they can whine rise up and get more land, then eventually enact apartheid and oppress the indigenous people. This route seems to work well for other nations

[Khaza-R]

I don't think that providing ethnic groups with their own individual nation-states is a way to mitigate tensions. It certainly didn't work out that way for Israel. Better to encourage better integration and acceptance, wherever they make their homes.

Plus the pretty darned arrogant idea that we can "give" them a state of their own.

And how do you promote better integration and acceptance. Arab Christians aren't some refugees washed ashore in the Middle East. They've already been integrated, it's their own homeland.

[Techno-Druid]

Where would that state be?

Good question.

Maybe give them the Hala'ib Triangle (that little area of land disputed between Egypt and Sudan) or partition the Sinai Peninsula.