Did Kellyanne Conway win the election for Trump?

[Ragedaug]

Can't deny that Comey deliberately chose to break with FBI protocol right before an election.

You mean as opposed to Comey accidentally choosing to break with FBI protocol right before an election?

Either way, if its standard FBI protocol to knowingly hold potentially criminal evidence until after the American public votes the potential criminal into office, then it's a retarded protocol. The voters need that information before they vote. Period. If it turns out that there is probable cause that the person only started an investigation for pure political motivations, then the investigator (in this case Comey) should be investigated and tried.


To me, Comey seemed like a political hack since his July press conference deal. I just happen to believe he's still a political hack. That said, if he has obtained evidence before the election that he hides until after the election, I believe that is criminal negligence and he could get in trouble.

But once we get past Comey's hack job, it was Clinton's email cover up errors that cost her.

[Sky High]

So ya, give a shit - she was first.

lemme think about that.... nah.

[unbound]

rofl

No, Kellyanne Conway caused far more people to facepalm then convince anyone of anything.

Trump won because of:
- Long-term campaign by GOP to attack Clinton (been going on for 3 decades now)
- Russian misinformation campaign feeding into Wikileaks and other channels
- Media who couldn't figure out that making Clinton e-mails a much bigger thing than it was compared to bringing up Trump's many, many actual failings made the disinterested masses think the e-mails were far, far worse than Trump's great many failings / issues
- Comey's last minute "investigation" that turned out to not actually happening
- Masses that still can't figure out the difference between general media, detailed journalism, partisan propaganda "news", and outright fake news
- Significant percentage of the masses that claim to investigate the claims / understand what is going on, but only cling to their partisan propaganda "news" (yes, this one cuts both ways, but more idiots get their partisan propaganda "news" from Fox News then Huffington Post)
- Idiots that still haven't figured out that people like Trump lie all the time...including about their promises

[Thereaperszone]

No. The US 'education' system did.

Obama had 8 years to fix it.

[Darkeon]

Not surprised to see so many women haters on this thread.

[Tierbook]

Suddenly all the Trumpies are rationalizing the electoral college, it's funny.

Anyway, Trump won with what should have been a losing message because he was far more successful at firing up emotions in his supporters than Hillary did, because Comey helped him out, and because a few coin flip states barely broke his way.

I've never been against the electoral college, I am against California deciding every election though.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I've never been against the electoral college, I am against California deciding every election though.

That wouldn't really be the case but that discussion is...well can be done for a different thread.

[Sky High]

I've never been against the electoral college, I am against California deciding every election though.

funny, I could have sworn it was states like Florida and Ohio that are more important in that regard.

[TrumpIsPresident]

How is this a cash grab scam?

Playing on peoples natural obsession with identities in order to profit.

what does Clinton have to do with anything? Seriously. Every time someone points out a flaw are you always going to shit talk Clinton?

Post #2 opened the door. I walked through it.

[Ahhdurr]

Thread is a dumpster fire. Mods, please close.

[Sky High]

How is this a cash grab scam?

because it's selling pictures of Muslim women and that upsets him I'm guessing.

[Gmollster11]

funny, I could have sworn it was states like Florida and Ohio that are more important in that regard.

Ohio and Florida aren't overly liberal or conservative. They change and can be impacted by actual dialogue.

California is so disgustingly liberal its pointless to consider it anything else.

[Ahhdurr]

Playing on peoples natural obsession with identities in order to profit.



Post #2 opened the door. I walked through it.

You're a garbage troll and every post you make should be insta-infraced. You never bring anything useful to any discussion and its pretty absurd that you're still allowed to post at all.

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Ohio and Florida aren't overly liberal or conservative. They change and can be impacted by actual dialogue.

California is so disgustingly liberal its pointless to consider it anything else.

The truth is that most states are purple. But no one gives a fuck about this when they try to blindly push their partisan agenda.

Infracted

Again, fucking really?

[Sky High]

Ohio and Florida aren't overly liberal or conservative. They change and can be impacted by actual dialogue.

California is so disgustingly liberal its pointless to consider it anything else.

it was a red state not that long ago, I'm suuuure the sentiments you feel now would have been the same back then? also you failed to address how that makes CA more important in the scheme of things.

[TrumpIsPresident]

You're a garbage troll and every post you make should be insta-infraced. You never bring anything useful to any discussion and its pretty absurd that you're still allowed to post at all.

Not the most triggered response I've gotten but its close.

Top 10 for sure.

[HumbleDuck]

Hahaha ...
Nah, but good laugh man, good laugh.
EC, FBI and Hillary won the election for trump.

[Osmeric]

The Democrats had a mental model of the electorate and the election that was seriously flawed. Had they been more on the ball, and their candidate less objectionable, it would have been easy to defeat Trump. But that may have been asking too much, considering how their party has been hollowed out under Obama.

Their presidential victories in 2008/2012 may come to be seen as Pyrrhic for them.

[schwarzkopf]

Obama had 8 years to fix it.

Correction about 18 months.... not enough time to even make a solid plan sorry.

[Theodarzna]

I feel like Kellyanne Conway's role in Trump's victory has been very understated. She not only did tremendous work on the campaign itself as campaign manager, but had a very high media presence.

I feel that her strong, energetic female presence really resonated with the general population whenever she made an appearance on TV, and her messages were concise, logical and really struck through the establishment spin that is often seen on the media.

All in all, I think Kellyanne Conway's presence and work got Trump over the line. What do you guys think?

In any other circumstance a woman running a successful campaign would be heralded, but she elected a Republican so she is an evil traitor to the Sisterhood. XD

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The Democrats had a mental model of the electorate and the election that was seriously flawed. Had they been more on the ball, and their candidate less objectionable, it would have been easy to defeat Trump. But that may have been asking too much, considering how their party has been hollowed out under Obama.

Their presidential victories in 2008/2012 may come to be seen as a Pyrrhic for them.

It depends on 2020, if the ship is still dead in the water then, then the DNC is in serious trouble.

[NYC17]

In any other circumstance a woman running a successful campaign would be heralded, but she elected a Republican so she is an evil traitor to the Sisterhood. XD

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It depends on 2020, if the ship is still dead in the water then, then the DNC is in serious trouble.

Or she isn't all that heralded because of Trump's treatment of various women throughout the campaign. Sort of hard to get behind that.

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The Democrats had a mental model of the electorate and the election that was seriously flawed. Had they been more on the ball, and their candidate less objectionable, it would have been easy to defeat Trump. But that may have been asking too much, considering how their party has been hollowed out under Obama.

Their presidential victories in 2008/2012 may come to be seen as Pyrrhic for them.

Someone who was even just slightly less unlikable than Clinton could have overcame the flaws she faced, created, and exacerbated throughout the campaign. She inspired nothing in too many people. As bad as she was she still barely lost the EC and won the popular vote by a substantial margin.