Trump DoE pick didn't know what the DoE does.

[Wells]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/u...ald-trump.html

WASHINGTON — When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.

In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing — that in fact, if confirmed by the Senate, he would become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome weapons on the planet, the United States’ nuclear arsenal.

This is also the department Perry campaigned on cutting.

We are all so very deeply fucked.

[Mister Cheese]

Like giving a toddler the keys to an 18 wheeler...

[Captain N]

The Trump Administration is like a Key Party -- Everyone gets randomly paired with something they know nothing about and in the end everyone gets screwed.

[Wyrt]

Well, that's the kind of thing that happens when Trump picks people based on how chapped their lips are from kissing his ass instead of based on their actual ability to perform the role.

[Elim Garak]

What a load of crap, looks like you too don't know what Secretary of Energy does. Secretary of Energy manages Department of Energy consisting of several under secretaries (different people) one of which (JUST ONE) is Under Secretary of Nuclear Security <- not Rick Perry, even so this under secretary is just a proxy between DoE and NNSA - managed by complete different set of people.

DoE does indeed work with Fossil Energy - under another under secretary <- not Rick Perry.

What this means is: Rick Perry is Fossil Energy leaning fellow, so he will dedicate a major part of his work time to that. He has to focus on something because due to the size of the department he cannot focus on everything. If you were in any managerial position in your life you would know what I'm talking about.

[Kaleredar]

Is anyone even surprised by this anymore?


I would be more surprised at this point if his appointments DID know the vaguest thing about what they were signed up for.

[Wells]

What a load of crap, looks like you too don't know what Secretary of Energy does. Secretary of Energy manages Department of Energy consisting of several under secretaries (different people) one of which (JUST ONE) is Under Secretary of Nuclear Security <- not Rick Perry, even so this under secretary is just a proxy between DoE and NNSA - managed by complete different set of people.

DoE does indeed work with Fossil Energy - under another under secretary <- not Rick Perry.

What this means is: Rick Perry is Fossil Energy leaning fellow, so he will dedicate a major part of his work time to that. He has to focus on something because due to the size of the department he cannot focus on everything. If you were in any managerial position in your life you would know what I'm talking about.

More than a little dumb to act like maintaining THE US NUCLEAR ARSENAL is just "hey one of many things they do"

Nuclear security is the largest item in their budget, by a sizable margin. After that its "Energy and Environment" which, spoilers, is nuclear reactor maintenance, development and disposal for the most part.

This chump of a politician apparently thought it was the "Department of Lucrative Tax Breaks" or something.

[Nathreim]

What a load of crap, looks like you too don't know what Secretary of Energy does. Secretary of Energy manages Department of Energy consisting of several under secretaries (different people) one of which (JUST ONE) is Under Secretary of Nuclear Security <- not Rick Perry, even so this under secretary is just a proxy between DoE and NNSA - managed by complete different set of people.

DoE does indeed work with Fossil Energy - under another under secretary <- not Rick Perry.

What this means is: Rick Perry is Fossil Energy leaning fellow, so he will dedicate a major part of his work time to that. He has to focus on something because due to the size of the department he cannot focus on everything. If you were in any managerial position in your life you would know what I'm talking about.

Nothing like watching someone verbally beat down a bunch of partisan retards. Well done.

infracted - minor flaming

[Wells]

Nothing like watching someone verbally beat down a bunch of partisan retards. Well done.

I feel like you quoted the wrong post or something, but I might be being charitable.

[Skroe]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/u...ald-trump.html



This is also the department Perry campaigned on cutting.

We are all so very deeply fucked.

I love putting it like this.

The DoE is the 1970s reorganization of the Atomic Energy Comission.
The Atomic Energy Comission was the post-war reorganization of something called the Manhattan Project.

And in the year 2017, Rick Perry is at the head of it.

Oops.

[Wells]

I love putting it like this.

The DoE is the 1970s reorganization of the Atomic Energy Comission.
The Atomic Energy Comission was the post-war reorganization of something called the Manhattan Project.

And in the year 2017, Rick Perry is at the head of it.

Oops.

All you have to do to see how deeply fucked up this all is is compare his background and education to the people who held the office before him. Gotta go back 4 guys to find someone without a science background.

[Skroe]

What a load of crap, looks like you too don't know what Secretary of Energy does. Secretary of Energy manages Department of Energy consisting of several under secretaries (different people) one of which (JUST ONE) is Under Secretary of Nuclear Security <- not Rick Perry, even so this under secretary is just a proxy between DoE and NNSA - managed by complete different set of people.

DoE does indeed work with Fossil Energy - under another under secretary <- not Rick Perry.

What this means is: Rick Perry is Fossil Energy leaning fellow, so he will dedicate a major part of his work time to that. He has to focus on something because due to the size of the department he cannot focus on everything. If you were in any managerial position in your life you would know what I'm talking about.

Listen up, foreigner, because this is a US security issue.

The DoE budget is ~$29 billion.


Fossil Fuels is $520 million out of $29.5 billion.

That's because relabeling the reorganized Atomic Energy Commission / Nuclear Regulatory Comission / Nuclear Weapons program was "The Department of Energy" was a 1970s era-Euphemism, just as how after World War II, "Departments / Ministries of War" were replaced by consolidated "Departments of Defense".

"Defense"

[Elim Garak]

More than a little dumb to act like maintaining THE US NUCLEAR ARSENAL is just "hey one of many things they do"

It is just one of the many things DoE oversees. US Nuclear Arsenal is in the hands of a completely different people - professionals. SoE doesn't directly interact with them on day to day basis. There's under secretary of nuclear security for that.

Nuclear security is the largest item in their budget, by a sizable margin. After that its "Energy and Environment" which, spoilers, is nuclear reactor maintenance, development and disposal for the most part.

Nuclear Reactors are not Nuclear Arsenal. It's managed by a different under secretary - the under secretary of Science and Energy - along with OTHER energy sources.

This chump of a politician apparently thought it was the "Department of Lucrative Tax Breaks" or something.

You are inferring. DoE does oversee Fossil Fuels via under secretary of Science and Energy same guy who is responsible for nuclear reactors and waste management <- not Rick Perry.

What you can expect under Rick Perry is obviously the improvements in Fossil Energy area. That's it.

[Wells]

It is just one of the many things DoE oversees. US Nuclear Arsenal is in the hands of a completely different people - professionals. SoE doesn't directly interact with them on day to day basis. There's under secretary of nuclear security for that.

Nuclear Reactors are not Nuclear Arsenal. It's managed by a different under secretary - the under secretary of Science and Energy - along with OTHER energy sources.

You are inferring. DoE does oversee Fossil Fuels via under secretary of Science and Energy same guy who is responsible for nuclear reactors and waste management <- not Rick Perry.

What you can expect under Rick Perry is obviously the improvements in Fossil Energy area. That's it.

Really fucking weird to see some hack actually make the argument that knowing what your job entails doesn't matter.

[Deleted]

i like to think that ministers, secretaries, presidents and the like come and go, but the basic bureaucratic machine underneath and the people that run it stay for the long haul. And that they are used to having better and worse people in charge and know how to "handle" them.

[belleflop]

There's a general theme here:

Secretary of State: Tillerson: CEO of big Oil and love them russia contracts!
EPA: Scott Pruit: Love him some oil and fracking - Screw you Oklahoma quit whining about your earthquakes.
S of Energy: Rick Perry: Advocate of big oil.. whats that.. that's not in the job description?

We go from world renowned scientists Ernest J. Monizin and Steven Chu to OOPS Rick Perry. Holy SHIT!

[Elim Garak]

Listen up, foreigner, because this is a US security issue.

Your gun is big but your aim sucks.

Rick Perry is at the top of DoE - he won't be doing any serious work. All he can do is wiggle the budget around trying to pour more money into Science and Energy budget, which then be managed by the under secretary of Science and Energy.

SoE is not some almighty god. He won't be able to just shut down NNSA or cut their budget significantly as you and wells are scaremongering here

[Deleted]

As long we're protected from them mexicans and muslims nothing else is of any concern, amirite Trump fans?

[Wells]

Your gun is big but your aim sucks.

Rick Perry is at the top of DoE - he won't be doing any serious work. All he can do is wiggle the budget around trying to pour more money into Science and Energy budget, which then be managed by the under secretary of Science and Energy.

SoE is not some almighty god. He won't be able to just shut down NNSA or cut their budget significantly as you and wells are scaremongering here

Hahahaha "Cabinet positions don't do any serious work"

Thanks man, that's the levity this thread needed.

[Elim Garak]

Really fucking weird to see some hack actually make the argument that knowing what your job entails doesn't matter.

You cannot infer his knowledge of the job description.
The only way to truly know what any job entails - is to do it at least once.
So by your logic the only person who is qualified for the job of SoE is someone who already was SoE.
This logic is wrong.