Trump wants to end Arts and Public Broadcasting

[Tonkaden]

Being an artist isn't a hobby.

You're invalidating your points by just showing you're reacting how of hate, and not actually looking into this.


We already have Linda, that's enough.

You obviously didn't read the rest.

If its not a job and its your lively hood and you SUCK at it. You need to find a different job, period. End of story. Im not going to go be a mechanic if I suck at it.

http://www.notsoboringlife.com/popular-hobbies/

Please go through the list. Don't worry , Ill wait.

12. Entertaining
25. Crafts
42. Painting
47. Theater

I guess I am confused on what art is then.

[Orlong]

Time to get real. The government has been running large deficits for years. This can't go on. We need to cut something.

What Trump is going after is largely stuff that government doesn't need to be involved in or is better handled through other means. Why does government need to support art? That can be accomplished through private citizens. CPB is being spun off into a gov't corporation like the post office (that's another can of works, but it will at least be more self-sufficient).

If you don't like what's being cut, suggest other things.

The problem with liberals is they dont want to cut anything, and usually they want to spend even more. Cant cut NEA, PBS, NASA, SNAP, TANF, HUD, NEA, EPA, USDOT, Medicare, etc... The only thing they ever want to cut is the most important thing to fund...The military

[alexw]

Time to get real. The government has been running large deficits for years. This can't go on. We need to cut something.

What Trump is going after is largely stuff that government doesn't need to be involved in or is better handled through other means. Why does government need to support art? That can be accomplished through private citizens. CPB is being spun off into a gov't corporation like the post office (that's another can of works, but it will at least be more self-sufficient).

If you don't like what's being cut, suggest other things.

No we don't. Nation states are designed to run perpetual deficits. Those deficits are peoples savings. $12.9 trillion of the national debt is held in one way or another by American citizens. With no national debt you have no social security, and vastly reduced pensions. The debt has to increase over time as society becomes wealthier to allow that expansion of wealth, and that means running a perpetual deficit.

Don't believe me then go check your 401K (or your parents or friends) and you will find some bonds in there, and some of them will be government bonds.

[Tonkaden]

That's more than twice the actual amount.

It was an example. So 200 million a year. Even 100 million a year is a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

I guess you are an expert in Government Taxes huh? What the government taxes us for isn't going to be equal to what they actually fund. The last time I checked, my pay stub doesn't show a break out of every single tax that I am hit with. I could be mistaken though. Let me grab my glasses and look again...nope. Still doesn't show me. Let me write my congressmen about this.

[Wells]

Massive tax on remittances from Mexicans working in the US to anywhere outside the US. Funds earmarked for an account that pays for the wall. Done.

This is a terrible plan. It would cause a massive cutback in remittances, strangling its own funding source, and seriously damage the Mexican economy....driving up illegal immigration rates.

That said, I fully expect him to try it.

[Deleted]

Massive tax on remittances from Mexicans working in the US to anywhere outside the US. Funds earmarked for an account that pays for the wall. Done.

Still not going to happen, keep dreaming about it, you might believe it yourself at some point.

[Wells]

It was an example. so 200 million a year. Even 100 million a year is a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

No its not. 100 million in federal spending is nothing. That's an accounting error.

[Celista]

Your state is number 5 on the list of states that take more federal aid than they pay back in taxes. The 5th most takeist state as you will.

My state, California, gives more to the federal government than it receives back. It's a giver state.

So, my taxes inevitably end up in some of those taker states, including yours. While your taxes essentially state right there in your state.

Effectively your taxes don't go to arts and public broadcasting at all, they just stay in your state.

Yes, nothing cracks me up more than the fact that all those poor Southern states that so deeply claim to hate government handouts are the ones that take advantage of them the most. That is an impressive level of cognitive dissonance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-s...ernment-2015-7
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-mos...0/#red-vs-blue

Sources for the indignant doubters.

[Deleted]

You and i obviously have different definitions of the word "need".

As for the second and third sentences of your post, I just don't care.

And the fourth sentence of your post? Anyone who starts a war over abstract bullsht rather than strategic interests is an idiot.

Indeed we do. Either you don't understand the value of things or you're just gonna disagree with me because I'm not agreeing with you. Or maybe both.
Not sure which, because you seem incapable of responding with anything else than dismissal.

Your nation was founded on "abstract bullshit". Many, many people have died for that "abstract bullshit" so that you can sit here today and insult it and call it useless.

[Berengil]

This is a terrible plan. It would cause a massive cutback in remittances, strangling its own funding source, and seriously damage the Mexican economy....driving up illegal immigration rates.

That said, I fully expect him to try it.

Couple the tax with ironclad enforcement of the border, best accomplished by stationing the Army and Marines on the border and making it known ( with several months notice) that attempting to cross anywhere other than authorized points will be considered an attack on the US.

[Jester Joe]

You obviously didn't read the rest.

If its not a job and its your lively hood and you SUCK at it. You need to find a different job, period. End of story. Im not going to go be a mechanic if I suck at it.

http://www.notsoboringlife.com/popular-hobbies/

Please go through the list. Don't worry , Ill wait.

12. Entertaining
25. Crafts
42. Painting
47. Theater

I guess I am confused on what art is then.

Totally legit website url.

And you're confusing art and artist, yeah.

You can create art as a hobby, being an artist isn't a hobby.
You play baseball as a hobby, you're not a baseball player suddenly for doing so.

And no, I did read the rest, it just followed the same issue of you not understanding there's a difference. Artists aren't getting paid by the government to make art. That isn't where they get their income from. There are exceptions of course, but for the most part, you're going to find they're freelancers.

[Belize]

We need less public funded programs, why is this news a bad thing? If they were useful they wouldn't need public funding.

Medicare isn't useful??

Oh. Oh my.

[Wells]

Couple the tax with ironclad enforcement of the border, best accomplished by stationing the Army and Marines on the border and making it known ( with several months notice) that attempting to cross anywhere other than authorized points will be considered an attack on the US.

Border patrol won't fix the problem of a self defeating funding model. Can't tax remittances if everyone just moves from money orders to envelopes.

Also lol at starting a war with Mexico over illegal immigration. Fucking short bus Tom Clancy bullshit.

[alexw]

Couple the tax with ironclad enforcement of the border, best accomplished by stationing the Army and Marines on the border and making it known ( with several months notice) that attempting to cross anywhere other than authorized points will be considered an attack on the US.

Lol. Just lol. And how much do you think all that would cost?

Not to mention the fact you want to turn the southern border into North Korea. Tell me, what reputation does North Korea have with the rest of the world? And how much of a say does it have in international affairs?

[Zan15]

Here's the joyous part!

You do realize that PBS is always in the middle of a pledge drive right? You do realize you are as perfectly free to give them all the money you wish right? You'll even get a tote bag!

Now, what you don't have the right to do is demand other citizens fund what you like when you're not willing to pay for it out of your own pocket.

PBS is the perfect example of voluntary taxation. You like it? You want to support it? Pay for it.

Nothing stops you from opening up your check book or giving them your credit card number.

Whoot when do i get to stop writing checks for our 1.1 trillion dollar military welfare program? Or how about those hundreds of billions of pay farmers not to grow food or destroy it? When do i stop having to funding schools for people with children when i don't have any?

Its also perfectly free for you to mail a check to the treasury to support every part of the govt. You want a few thousand wonderful f35's then you should send them a check i am sick of paying for a lot of things.


What you don't have the right to do is demand other citizens fund what you like when you're not willing to pay for it out of your own pocket.


psstt, i pay taxes so technically it is being paid for out of my own pocket, every paycheck.

[Berengil]

Indeed we do. Either you don't understand the value of things or you're just gonna disagree with me because I'm not agreeing with you. Or maybe both.
Not sure which, because you seem incapable of responding with anything else than dismissal.

Your nation was founded on "abstract bullshit". Many, many people have died for that "abstract bullshit" so that you can sit here today and insult it and call it useless.

I respond with dismissal when i find something worthy (IMO) of dismissal.

As for the last sentence of your post: Lots of people in lots of places and times have died for lots of pointless nonsense that they attached meaning to. I am not obligated to participate in their error.

[Templar 331]

Couple the tax with ironclad enforcement of the border, best accomplished by stationing the Army and Marines on the border and making it known ( with several months notice) that attempting to cross anywhere other than authorized points will be considered an attack on the US.

We're not North Korea dude.

And the amount of funds required for the manpower stationed on the wall would be ridiculous considering the size of it.

[Belize]

It was an example. So 200 million a year. Even 100 million a year is a lot of money no matter how you look at it.

I guess you are an expert in Government Taxes huh? What the government taxes us for isn't going to be equal to what they actually fund. The last time I checked, my pay stub doesn't show a break out of every single tax that I am hit with. I could be mistaken though. Let me grab my glasses and look again...nope. Still doesn't show me. Let me write my congressmen about this.

That's not even .01% of of total spending, get real.

[Torto]

They're not a union either. Really man, you're posting on a forum, so I assume you have access to Google.

We talking about the same thing? http://www.nea.org/

[Tonkaden]

This is a terrible plan. It would cause a massive cutback in remittances, strangling its own funding source, and seriously damage the Mexican economy....driving up illegal immigration rates.

That said, I fully expect him to try it.

I've seen this first hand. Mexicans, illegals, living 10 to a 1 bedroom. Its not a stereotype. They really do this. They go exempt using fake socials. They split the bills which is pennies for 10 to a one bedroom that cost $500 / month. After 6-8 months or when the job is over, depending on what time of year it is, they wire all of their money back to Mexico and they bail out. They go get another social a year later, rinse and repeat. The shit needs to stop. Im for extreme prejudice on illegals being caught crossing over.

Georgia is already trying this and it needs to be done. I think the proposed bill was 3% penalty on out of country wires. It should be more honestly.