Nazis were right wing, not left

[Deleted]

fascism is radical far right wing socialism , it was supposed to be center but totalitarianism and nationalism made them far right. socialism has nothing to do with left or right , progressivism is left , liberals are right and nationalism is far right . no one is really concervative in this world

[Kellhound]

There's a very good reason why far-/alt-righters are easily and justifiably compared to Nazism and Nazis, but anything to the left of it, including the moderate right, couldn't even be remotely compared to it unless you apply far-/alt-right "logic".

Note the inverted commas.

Stalinism compares fairly well with Nazism. Even my Marxist Poli Sci teacher went with that thinking.

[May90]

It is always better to look at it in multi-axis manners, such as Communism-Capitalism on one axis and Authoritarian-Libertarian on another. In that regard, Hitler would be generally centered economically and maxed Authoritarian.

I think we would need to introduce many axes though, for it to really be descriptive. The 2-axes system you described, which is commonly used nowadays, still misses a lot of important aspects. For example, how militarized a country is, how open its borders are, how big the religious aspect in the government, how this country interacts with other countries...

Interestingly, I think the game Europa Universalis has presented a pretty descriptive system. In EU3, there were, if I remember correctly, 8 axes, and while several of them were somewhat obsolete and several more aren't really applicable in this age, it shows that there is a certain finite number of axes, probably within a dozen, that would be enough to characterize most political systems. After all, a lot of aspects in a country are inter-dependent, so it is possible to narrow down a classification reasonably.

[Orbitus]

this is 100% fucking wrong. hitler and the nazis only used the church to control the german people and had immense distrust of them and hitler wanted to just chuck the catholics and christians in camps but couldn't because of the strong religious sentiments in german society. he hated them. your teacher should be appalled. hitler hated religion.

Sorry, history doesn't agree with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_Adolf_Hitler

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Wow the bullshit is strong with this one.

I can guarantee i have studied this more than you and i can tell you that the Nazi leadership were pagans and Himmler thought himself a resurrected king of old that was born to rule for hundreds of years.

Hardly Christian doctrine now is it.

I wouldn't have expected much from you though.

"Some" were Pagans. That doesn't mean Nazism as a whole wasn't in support of Christianity. And I can dispel that you have "studied this more than me" with 1 simple link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religi...f_Adolf_Hitler

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sorry that reality doesnt conform to your boogey man

Yeah, it doesn't, because it isn't a fucking boogeyman. Scholars and history agree with him.

[Mayhem]

"Far-right politics

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Far-right politics are right-wing politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right.

Far-right politics often involve a focus on tradition, real or imagined, as opposed to policies and customs that are regarded as reflective of modernism. Many far-right ideologies have a disregard or a disdain for egalitarianism, even if they do not always express overt support for social hierarchy, elements of social conservatism and opposition to most forms of liberalism and socialism.

The term is commonly used to describe right-wing populist ideologies which is known for its espousal of extreme nationalism and its opposition to immigration, as well as its advocacy of Nazism, neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist, or reactionary views, which can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state or ultraconservative traditional social institutions."

That souds very much like a definition of the NSDAP ideology, so yeah... the nazis were as far right as it get's.

Because that far-right you´re describing here is from the traditional left-right spectrum (aka. libertarian vs. authoritarian).

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chart I posted a few pages back agrees...

Will be ignored by people, believe me.

[DesMephisto]

Nazis were fascist aka authoritarian nationalist. And they also were socialists, not capitalists. There was pretty much nothing capitalist about nazism.

Left wing = socialism, right wing = capitalism

So, nazis were left wing.

If you can't handle that truth, go have your temper tantrum somewhere else.

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IF the nazis were socialists, then why were they one of the strongest countries? And would have succeeded in winning the war had it not been for oversight/delusion on Hitlers part? Doesn't that mean socialism is better than capitalism?

[Eliseus]

MMOC has a bad case of changing history.

[Deleted]

IF the nazis were socialists, then why were they one of the strongest countries? And would have succeeded in winning the war had it not been for oversight/delusion on Hitlers part? Doesn't that mean socialism is better than capitalism?

yes its better when ppl want to support their country

[Nihilanth]

Yes because the left want to divide everyone by race and commit genocide.......

You mean like how the left is obsessed with identity politics?

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Yet all the people who supported the left (socialist and communist) were all locked up into camps.

How can the Nazi's be left wing if they fucking hate the left wing?

A lot of what they did made no sense. Doesn't chance the fact that they are more akin to a left-leaning ideology than a right wing one.

National Socialist German Workers' Party couldn't sound more lefty if it wanted to.

[Ravenblade]

You mean like how the left is obsessed with identity politics?

No matter where you stand on the subject of identity politics comparing it with Nazi ideologies is false equivalence.

[PosPosPos]

Stalinism compares fairly well with Nazism. Even my Marxist Poli Sci teacher went with that thinking.

Mhmm and?

Unless you can find examples of American mainstream political ideology fitting Stalinism, like the far-/alt-right with Nazism, your statement is moot.

[Mayhem]

A lot of what they did made no sense. Doesn't chance the fact that they are more akin to a left-leaning ideology than a right wing one.

National Socialist German Workers' Party couldn't sound more lefty if it wanted to.

Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea doesn´t sound like a dictatorship either.

Look up left leaning ideologies, one group before all others isn´t one of it, and that was kind of their most prominent idea.

[HumbleDuck]

Nazis were submitted to whatever ideology you are opposed to.
That much I learned from the internet.

[Forogil]

By all rational measure, the Nazis and Hitler were extremely right-wing and authoritarian. Historians have made this assessment because;

A). They were violently hostile to all center-left and far-left political parties for their entire existence as a party post Hitler. (sounds familiar)

Doesn't prove that you think. Trotsky was killed by Stalin - the Mensheviks were outlawed by the Bolsheviks. Solidarity in Poland was left-wing - and still suppressed by the communists.

B). They were violently nationalist, and anti-internationalist compared to the internationalism of the contemporary left. (too familiar)

Possibly compared to the then contemporary left. There have later been very nationalistic countries on the left, like the Khmer Rouge, and N. Korea.

C) They formed alliances with other far right governments. (I swear I’ve seen this recently)

Molotov-Ribbentrop says hi.

E) They opposed class struggle, a central tenet of Marxists. (but conservatives tell me Nazism and Communism are the same thing, odd)

People who say that nazism and communism is practically the same (the horse-shoe political spectrum) would say that class struggle has ceased in both of those societies - and the defining part is the authoritarian leader who oppresses the people with some flimsy argument.

However, the point here is where they are on the left-right political spectrum, and those terms are fluid and it more seems a game of applying labels than of understanding. In terms of economic policy the nazist were simply not far to the right - they were close to the center. The nazists were not conservatives and monarchists; as the original right.

Basically, they were right wing because they defined themselves in opposition to the left.

They defined themselves as opposed to the traditional left and right.

[Volardelis]

You mean like how the left is obsessed with identity politics?

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A lot of what they did made no sense. Doesn't chance the fact that they are more akin to a left-leaning ideology than a right wing one.

National Socialist German Workers' Party couldn't sound more lefty if it wanted to.

So does that mean neo nazi's, who support Trump are left wing?

TRUMP HAS SOCIALIST SUPPORTERS! Using your idiotic logic

=)

[Mayhem]

They defined themselves as opposed to the traditional left and right.

And still they became a dictatorship, can´t get any more traditional right than that.

[draynay]

I wouldn't have thought such a thread necessary but people don't seem to understand history or the English language.

National Socialist German Workers' Party couldn't sound more lefty if it wanted to.

You call it whatever you think will get votes, this may shock you, but some politicians and political organizations will misrepresent themselves in order to secure votes.

[Natylyaz]

The terms Left and Right come from the French Revolution, where the opponents of the Monarchy sat on the left of the president's chair in the Parliament.
This has stayed in the following years where the proponents of democracy, progressism and anti-clericalism were on the Left, and the proponents of monarchy, conservationism and the church were on the Right.

In the end, the Left is about being a progressist, and the Right is about being conservative.
So the OP is correct, the Nazis were right-wing, as they were more conservative than progressist.

[Kuntantee]

Nazi's weren't known for their social program, they are famous because they slaughtered millions of people and started a World War.

Germans didn't start a WW alone. It was bound to happen one way or another, and pretty much all major powers would be involved.

[Deleted]

Why did Hitler send socialists to concentration camps if he was a lefty himself?

They were right-wing.

Why did anarchists betray the republicans, communists in the spanish civil war?

Why do stalinists and trotskyists hate eachother and have killed eachother for generally insognificant differemces?