Nazis were right wing, not left

[Ethris]

National Socialists.

Really warms the ol' thinking meat.

[hakujinbakasama]

I don't know, man. When I see people explaining things like you were, it just kind of seems like they're more concerned with some liberal boogeyman than reality. Your entire post basically comes off with "How dare anyone criticize anything here so long as we aren't literally mutilating people."

Not at all. I'm simply pointing out that there is a flaw in the line of thinking, in which there are countless examples.

A figurative "boogeyman" concept would be similar to "the white man is trying to keep the black man down." It's the theory of a hierarchy in which there is no tangible evidence to support.

[Deleted]

National Socialists.

Really warms the ol' thinking meat.

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

[Ethris]

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Really activates the higher neurological functions.

[mmolurker]

I don't know where you ever got this idea, but it's flat-out wrong. Left-wing politics support social equality, yes, but right-wing supports social inequality, by design. That's what makes them right-wing. *If you had a liberty-focused view that supported everyone being equally free, that is a left-wing viewpoint. "Liberty" is, in fact, one of the many principles on which left-wing viewpoints push for greater equality.
And this is also wrong, since Stalinist communism is heavily nationalist in nature. Nationalism, unsurprisingly, clashes against pretty much any other nationalist system.

im new to the site so i dont know much about quoting and such
equality is not linked to liberty, in fact, equality is a direct opposite to liberty. to achieve supposed equality, governments violate person's liberty and take resources from people to give to others. Liberty is the freedom to choose what you want to do and what you want to say, this of cause includes taking the responsibilities of your choices, whether these choices leads you to prosperity or to unfortunate results.
welfare is left wing in nature, it's intention is to create equality between the subjects. in the case of nazism, the subjects are the aryan people. the stated purpose was to create equality between the aryans. as i said before, nazism is national socialism, why would their welfare be different from other welfare simply because they serve a different people?

communism is not nationalistic, but rather internationalistic, this can be easily seen from the expansion of communism and their slogan:'proletariat of the world unite'. so called stalinist communism is actually pretty far apart from the vision of marx and lenin.

[Wyrt]

National Socialists.

Really warms the ol' thinking meat.

And yet the nazi party killed socialists during their reign.

It's almost like just because they call themselves something doesn't mean they are that thing. Better warm up that thinking meat some more.

[JohnBrown1917]

Really activates the higher neurological functions.

So you have any arguments for what makes Hitler left wing? or what?

[Deleted]

equality is not linked to liberty, in fact, equality is a direct opposite to liberty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert...raternit%C3%A9


Heck, the first article of the UDHR: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

[mmolurker]

But more often than not, the socialist aspect of it was just used as an excuse to implement authoritarian policies like restricting freedom of radio and the press (and eventually they just took them over).

here's the important thing to remember, to implement socialistic policies, one has to implement authoritarian policies. to fund a welfare state, one has to take from others who may not like to be taken from, or in the current world, one has to take from the unborn to fund the welfare.
i would say that right wing ideas have been bombarded in the past few decades in america that we really have no real right wing. left wing ideology is pretty much the mainstream because of its takeover of the media and academia.

[Deleted]

welfare is left wing in nature

Welfare is neither left or right wing.

[Espe]

Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Yup.

Nazis were / are right-wing. No amount of "alternative fact" will change that. Sorry if that bothers you, deplorables

[JohnBrown1917]

here's the important thing to remember, to implement socialistic policies, one has to implement authoritarian policies. to fund a welfare state, one has to take from others who may not like to be taken from, or in the current world, one has to take from the unborn to fund the welfare.
i would say that right wing ideas have been bombarded in the past few decades in america that we really have no real right wing. left wing ideology is pretty much the mainstream because of its takeover of the media and academia.

Are you living in opposite world?

[mmolurker]

Heck, the first article of the UDHR: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

'equal in dignity and rights', in the west, is this not true? i'm not white, but i have equal access to opportunities to further my self. whether i take these opportunities and whether i am successful is up to me, not to others. i am not saying nazism is a good thing so i dont get why u link that quote.
the equality in welfare is equality of outcomes, while the quote you linked is equality in opportunities. these two radically different ideas about equality is pretty much what left and right is about imho.

[mittacc]

Now thats a nice idea, but it couldn't be any more wrong. Lets start by a definition: National socialism is by definition facist.

And how exactly is fascism exclusive to the right? Yes, "National socialism" does have the word "socialism" in it and is thus left wing. The mental gymnasitcs required to not see this truly amazes me

So what about the socialism in National socialism? Populist policies!

Basically the same how a specific american individual won his election recently:

Promising the majority what they want:

OH! So the popular opinion was held by socialists and the NSDAP had to appeal to them in order to get into power making the socialists the....nazis. It's not similar to today's militant leftists, not at all *rolls eyes*

[Deleted]

is pretty much what left and right is about imho.

That's the problem, this is not about your opinion, it's about historical realities and how politics were definied for centuries now.

[mmolurker]

Are you living in opposite world?

no i live in this world. classical liberalism is dead and right wing is dead. what the republican party we have now is not a right wing party but rather the same corporatism and crony capitalism.

[draynay]

welfare is left wing in nature, it's intention is to create equality between the subjects. in the case of nazism, the subjects are the aryan people. the stated purpose was to create equality between the aryans. as i said before, nazism is national socialism, why would their welfare be different from other welfare simply because they serve a different people?

"Aryan people" is a construct to create an 'us vs. them' mentality, a vision where they were superior and others were inferior, when you are promoting social inequality by putting other groups in ghettos, denying their rights, and eventually gassing them to death, that is the opposite of left wing social equality platforms.

[Sharein]

So, what is the point of this thread?

"See? People who vote right are nazis!"?

[Ethris]

Really boils the cranial cavity.

[Deleted]

no i live in this world. classical liberalism is dead

Classical liberalism still defines European politics.