President Trump Will Sign Order to Lift Ban on CIA Black Site Prisons

[Varitok]

There's no question that this happened. However, at least we didn't just simply shoot them in the back of the head, immolate them, dismember them, or a litany of other things in which the tribal fucks do.

"Fuck those ISIS militants, We we show we are better than them by doing the same thing!"

Seriously, what is wrong with people?

[Jinxz]

Can someone assassinate him already...

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[Machismo]

I'm also not agreeing with the methodology. However, acting as if in a conflict there is a perfect ideal way of doing things in which everyone is respected and no one is "harmed" is simply "ignorant as fuck."

Frankly, my personal stance is "America Economically First" which is one that makes it pretty fucking hard to justify spending money outside of our boarders. I seriously do not support 1 god damn dollar spent to support the defense funding of other countries. I do not support 1 dollar of humanitarian aid being spent on other countries. And I do not support military bases in foreign countries. I fully support getting the fuck out of there and getting back to fixing the US.

There is a way to do it, we are just too lazy and selfish to get it done. The premise is simple, people should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

The problem with "America First" is that we tend to limit freedoms while doing it. That's what walls do, that's what tariffs do. That is certainly what foreign wars and black sites do.

[Manabomb]

I imagine that living prisoners could provide more information than the charred remains left after a drone strike.

So are you going to make the drones fly down and arrest the terrorist? No? Then you're still going to have craters.

[Wyrt]

The military will do what they are ordered to do, or quit. The police will do what they are ordered to do, or quit, and your little guns? Won't mean shit against what would come for you if that is a reality. Mind you it's freakishly far fetched, but your childish 'leftists are all pussies and I'm a man cause gun' is beyond laughable in the face of what they propose. Maybe if you were a half decent human being you'd start seeing it as Americans instead of red or blue.

Don't forget. Newt "Feels Before Reals" Gingrich has proposed bringing back the House Un-American Activities Committee.

[hakujinbakasama]

The military will do what they are ordered to do, or quit. The police will do what they are ordered to do, or quit, and your little guns? Won't mean shit against what would come for you if that is a reality. Mind you it's freakishly far fetched, but your childish 'leftists are all pussies and I'm a man cause gun' is beyond laughable in the face of what they propose. Maybe if you were a half decent human being you'd start seeing it as Americans instead of red or blue.

You sort of glossed over the looming fact. Those three factions would outnumber the politics behind the policy. Hence, why I'm not worried. It has nothing to do with "personal baddassery" but the fact that leftists are all to well to be pussies. At best, they are only confrontational when they believe they have security in doing so. I don't see very many iterations of the loan leftist out getting in someones face as they do when there are 100 of them and 3 Trump supporters. That's why I'm down on leftists. Not only are they pussies who are generally always looking for someone to come protect them or save them but they are often so vocally shitty towards the organizations or people they then demand to save them ie. police/military.

Additionally, the concept is that if such a narrative played out I'd rather have a gun and go down fighting than go to a concentration camp. That's something the Jews and the rest DID NOT HAVE. Hence the fucking point. It isn't so much that I'd Rambo the world order down but that I would rather FIGHT than get carted off. It's a concept that leftists just cannot understand because they are locked in the idea that "it would never happen" while forgetting that it has happened and that they claim we are in a police state all the fucking time.

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There is a way to do it, we are just too lazy and selfish to get it done. The premise is simple, people should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others.

The problem with "America First" is that we tend to limit freedoms while doing it. That's what walls do, that's what tariffs do. That is certainly what foreign wars and black sites do.

There is nothing about a wall which limits a freedom. There is nothing about a tariff which limits freedom. The erection of a wall does not necessitate your inability to travel across it as a free citizen of the United States. As a non citizen of the United States, you do not have that freedom. Not fucking sure why that is so complicated or in such a level of contention.

[Machismo]

You sort of glossed over the looming fact. Those three factions would outnumber the politics behind the policy. Hence, why I'm not worried. It has nothing to do with "personal baddassery" but the fact that leftists are all to well to be pussies. At best, they are only confrontational when they believe they have security in doing so. I don't see very many iterations of the loan leftist out getting in someones face as they do when there are 100 of them and 3 Trump supporters. That's why I'm down on leftists. Not only are they pussies who are generally always looking for someone to come protect them or save them but they are often so vocally shitty towards the organizations or people they then demand to save them ie. police/military.

Additionally, the concept is that if such a narrative played out I'd rather have a gun and go down fighting than go to a concentration camp. That's something the Jews and the rest DID NOT HAVE. Hence the fucking point. It isn't so much that I'd Rambo the world order down but that I would rather FIGHT than get carted off. It's a concept that leftists just cannot understand because they are locked in the idea that "it would never happen" while forgetting that it has happened and that they claim we are in a police state all the fucking time.

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There is nothing about a wall which limits a freedom. There is nothing about a tariff which limits freedom. The erection of a wall does not necessitate your inability to travel across it as a free citizen of the United States. As a non citizen of the United States, you do not have that freedom. Not fucking sure why that is so complicated or in such a level of contention.

A wall limits freedom, it prevents people from crossing it. A tariff limits freedom, because it imposes unnecessary burdens on specific people or companies. The entire premise of the wall is to limit free movement.

Are people free to cross that border? That sure sounds like a freedom is being limited.

Otherwise, you are arguing that taxes are not a restriction of freedom, and therefore, the government could simply tax people for all of their money... and they would still be free.

[Wolfheart9]

You sort of glossed over the looming fact. Those three factions would outnumber the politics behind the policy. Hence, why I'm not worried. It has nothing to do with "personal baddassery" but the fact that leftists are all to well to be pussies. At best, they are only confrontational when they believe they have security in doing so. I don't see very many iterations of the loan leftist out getting in someones face as they do when there are 100 of them and 3 Trump supporters. That's why I'm down on leftists. Not only are they pussies who are generally always looking for someone to come protect them or save them but they are often so vocally shitty towards the organizations or people they then demand to save them ie. police/military.

Additionally, the concept is that if such a narrative played out I'd rather have a gun and go down fighting than go to a concentration camp. That's something the Jews and the rest DID NOT HAVE. Hence the fucking point. It isn't so much that I'd Rambo the world order down but that I would rather FIGHT than get carted off. It's a concept that leftists just cannot understand because they are locked in the idea that "it would never happen" while forgetting that it has happened and that they claim we are in a police state all the fucking time.

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There is nothing about a wall which limits a freedom. There is nothing about a tariff which limits freedom. The erection of a wall does not necessitate your inability to travel across it as a free citizen of the United States. As a non citizen of the United States, you do not have that freedom. Not fucking sure why that is so complicated or in such a level of contention.

You're just adorable, good to know you think so little of your fellow man and you're hard core into red vs blue. If something like that happens, I hope to whatever cares to listen that you change your mind, because despite how utterly repulsive you are right now, I'd rather have you alive and working together to stop such from happening rather than loving the idea of those I don't agree with dying.

[Keltas]

I imagine that living prisoners could provide more information than the charred remains left after a drone strike.

Ignoring everything about torture not being effective...

It's not that simple and easy to capture an enemy alive. Drones are quick and effective when they see someone they deem a hostile. They can hit the building within an hour easily.

Try getting a team together. Riding through enemy territory in vehicles prone to IEDs. Breaching and clearing the building that supposedly has enemy combatants in it. Finding the target and taking them alive (if they're shooting at you, and you can't shoot back, it'll be pretty challenging), and then extracting them in the same vehicles all while their allies likely now know where you are and are going to be fighting back.

All of that just to drag them to a black site and torture them for likely fake info.

Or you could just hit the building with a drone and probably save money, definitely save time, and likely save american soldier lives.

[hakujinbakasama]

A wall limits freedom, it prevents people from crossing it. A tariff limits freedom, because it imposes unnecessary burdens on specific people or companies.

Are people free to cross that border? That sure sounds like a freedom is being limited.

Otherwise, you are arguing that taxes are not a restriction of freedom, and therefore, the government could simply tax people for all of their money... and they would still be free.

1. A burdon is not a limitation on Freedom.
2. I stand behind the fact that a company is not a person.
3. Prevention of crossing a border anywhere does not mean that the boarder cannot be crossed somewhere. Hence why this argument is stupid.
4. We are not a snowflake of a country when it comes to boarders, wanting to secure them, or having laws about them.
5. Please go to Homestead Michigan, swim across the water, and on to East Neebish Island, and continue into Canada. There is no wall afterall. Then when you get arrested, tell the CMP that you have "freedom" and see if your position worked any better than ... http://www.immigroup.com/news/enteri...s-consequences

[Tyrianth]

Barbaric. Though what else can be expected?

[Machismo]

1. A burdon is not a limitation on Freedom.
2. I stand behind the fact that a company is not a person.
3. Prevention of crossing a border anywhere does not mean that the boarder cannot be crossed somewhere. Hence why this argument is stupid.
4. We are not a snowflake of a country when it comes to boarders, wanting to secure them, or having laws about them.
5. Please go to Homestead Michigan, swim across the water, and on to East Neebish Island, and continue into Canada. There is no wall afterall. Then when you get arrested, tell the CMP that you have "freedom" and see if your position worked any better than ... http://www.immigroup.com/news/enteri...s-consequences

But tariffs are burdensome on consumers (people). That is a fact, it's an added and unnecessary cost forced by the government. Would you feel the government was taking away your freedom if it took all of your earnings as a tax? If so, at what point is taxation a restriction of freedom?

Your justification for restricting freedom, is that other countries also restrict freedom... but freedom is still being restricted. You just happen to be fine with it. Once again, it's still a restriction of freedom. If there is nothing about a wall that restricts freedom, then I could build a wall around you, where you couldn't even turn around, and you would still have all your freedom, is that correct?

I'm not sure why you mention "snowflakes." I guess it's a not-so-subtle attempt at an insult. Unfortunately for you, I'm not a thin skinned pussy who get offended by everything. You don't think it's a restriction of freedom, for the sole reason that you support that restriction. The oppressor rarely considers it to be oppression.

[hakujinbakasama]

You're just adorable, good to know you think so little of your fellow man and you're hard core into red vs blue. If something like that happens, I hope to whatever cares to listen that you change your mind, because despite how utterly repulsive you are right now, I'd rather have you alive and working together to stop such from happening rather than loving the idea of those I don't agree with dying.

Yeah see that's your position of assumption and one that I find to be the utmost pandering to a moral-high-ground. The difference is that I'm not delusional or attempting to preset myself in a light that I don't actually hold to in my convictions. I'm just a simple realist and can speak matter of factly about very scary subjects. I'm also not "hard core" into "red vs blue." That's an assumption. I do believe that there are very specific mindsets though. There are conservatives, leftists, populists, socialists, ect ect.

I'm very comfortable with "racists" as I can trust them to generally not flip fop on some mental gymnastic pivot point. This is where I dislike, distrust, and care not for a leftists. Again, the modern leftist is all to happy to bitch about "social inequalities" from their iPad while ignoring the human life cost it takes for them to post on their stupid fucking twitter from Starbucks. That's something that actually bothers me. Equally, my "care" for my fellow man comes short of causing me hardship the same way every progressive cunt stops caring about all the people who have to die or earn slave wages over their smart devices or weed. That's something that is at least positive about dealing with irrational hate groups... they're consistent doucebags.

[Wolfheart9]

Yeah see that's your position of assumption and one that I find to be the utmost pandering to a moral-high-ground. The difference is that I'm not delusional or attempting to preset myself in a light that I don't actually hold to in my convictions. I'm just a simple realist and can speak matter of factly about very scary subjects. I'm also not "hard core" into "red vs blue." That's an assumption. I do believe that there are very specific mindsets though. There are conservatives, leftists, populists, socialists, ect ect.

I'm very comfortable with "racists" as I can trust them to generally not flip fop on some mental gymnastic pivot point. This is where I dislike, distrust, and care not for a leftists. Again, the modern leftist is all to happy to bitch about "social inequalities" from their iPad while ignoring the human life cost it takes for them to post on their stupid fucking twitter from Starbucks. That's something that actually bothers me. Equally, my "care" for my fellow man comes short of causing me hardship the same way every progressive cunt stops caring about all the people who have to die or earn slave wages over their smart devices or weed. That's something that is at least positive about dealing with irrational hate groups... they're consistent doucebags.

You lumped every single liberal into being a 'pussy', you've relished in the idea of them being taken out, and then say you're not hard red vs blue and that you don't think little of your fellow man. I'm done here.

[hakujinbakasama]

But tariffs are burdensome on consumers (people). That is a fact, it's an added and unnecessary cost forced by the government. Would you feel the government was taking away your freedom if it took all of your earnings as a tax? If so, at what point is taxation a restriction of freedom?

Your justification for restricting freedom, is that other countries also restrict freedom... but freedom is still being restricted. You just happen to be fine with it. Once again, it's still a restriction of freedom.

I'm not sure why you mention "snowflakes." I guess it's a not-so-subtle attempt at an insult. Unfortunately for you, I'm not a thin skinned pussy who get offended by everything. You don't think it's a restriction of freedom, for the sole reason that you support that restriction. The oppressor rarely considers it to be oppression.

You, as a non citizen do not have "freedom" to access of a country which does not recognize you. That's one of these pretty interesting things countries decided a few many many hours ago. I'm guessing you're fine abolishing speed limits because they restrict freedom right? I mean, you're free to travel on the public road way as long as you obey safety rules and most people generally agree with this not being a violation. However, apparently, a country wanting to restrict entrance to their country is an issue for similar reasons. Fuck me, sorry about not agreeing. Besides, if a country, and by extension it's people, do not want you there "fuck off" comes to mind.

Tariffs... and I know this is SUPER hard to understand, don't have any burden on a consumer if they aren't passed on to a consumer. There is a long Economic discussion to be had on this but the end result is the following... Tariffs are a good thing for a consumer in a free market get the fuck over it.

[AeneasBK]

Shit like this will make it easier to shrug and say "Who cares" next time 3000 innocent Americans are murdered because of the policy of its government.

[hakujinbakasama]

You lumped every single liberal into being a 'pussy', you've relished in the idea of them being taken out, and then say you're not hard red vs blue and that you don't think little of your fellow man. I'm done here.

Try using "ctrl+F" and searching "liberal" and find where I used it. I used "leftist" which is not the same thing as a "liberal."

Also, I didn't set up a scenario in which "leftists" were being "taken out" and I'm "relishing" the idea. I can, like most comedians, look at the irony of an imaginary event... like most comedic sketches.... and poke fun at why it would happen.

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Shit like this will make it easier to shrug and say "Who cares" next time 3000 innocent Americans are murdered because of the policy of its government.

Listen, I'll concede you're right just as soon as Democrats concede that we probably shouldn't have been Done Striking the shit out of people on an hourly basis for the last 8 years under their leadership.

[Machismo]

You, as a non citizen do not have "freedom" to access of a country which does not recognize you. That's one of these pretty interesting things countries decided a few many many hours ago. I'm guessing you're fine abolishing speed limits because they restrict freedom right? I mean, you're free to travel on the public road way as long as you obey safety rules and most people generally agree with this not being a violation. However, apparently, a country wanting to restrict entrance to their country is an issue for similar reasons. Fuck me, sorry about not agreeing. Besides, if a country, and by extension it's people, do not want you there "fuck off" comes to mind.

Tariffs... and I know this is SUPER hard to understand, don't have any burden on a consumer if they aren't passed on to a consumer. There is a long Economic discussion to be had on this but the end result is the following... Tariffs are a good thing for a consumer in a free market get the fuck over it.

So, you admit that it's a restriction of freedom, but since they are not Americans, you don't care. You only care about freedoms that you support... got it.

I am fine with getting rid of speed limits, thanks for asking. I think people should be responsible for their own actions. If someone wants to drive like an asshole, and kills someone with their car, charge them with murder. People should be free to do whatever they want, so long as it does not harm others. The last time I checked, crossing an invisible line in the dirt does not cause harm.

Tariffs do have a burden on a consumer, because they are designed to artificially raise the price of certain goods. Tariffs are not a good thing for a consumer in a free market, because it undermines the definition of what a free market is. At this point, it's clear that you don't even understand the definitions of words. Lord, go back and read what you typed, then go look up the definition of "free market."

[xChurch]

You know at least Bush needed something big like 9/11 to justify this kinda stuff. Most recent US terrorist attacks have been homegrown, so unless they're planning to snatching US citizens up that most likely don't know of anything larger than their own plans, I don't quite see the point of this. So much for smaller Government.

[scrangos]

Shit like this will make it easier to shrug and say "Who cares" next time 3000 innocent Americans are murdered because of the policy of its government.

Arent like 40000 people dying every year because of bad healthcare laws? We went to war over 3000 and ignore the tens of thousands of american citizens that die due to congress.