By 2020 News and Fake News May Be Indistinguishable...

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Isn't the stance of Trump supporters that all bad news about him are fake and only the good ones are true?

Irrelevant to the discussion, with claims that couldn't be farther from the truth.

Something Trump would be immune to... real scandal can't touch him fake scandal won't either.

The impact would be closer to what would happen if the EC was removed. It'll be a run for "who can get how many to vote for and how many to vote against".

Politics would literally be anything but real.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I think we should drop Trump discussion from this thread. Since SOMEBODY had to mention it.

[callipygoustp]

For some people, as evidenced on this very forum, this is already the case.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

I think we should drop Trump discussion from this thread. Since SOMEBODY had to mention it.

Common, don't be disingenuous.

You cannot have a thread about fake news, which begins with "In the light of recent events, and recent non-events and the rise of fake news and alternative facts, technology has gradually been improving in the area of actually making the distinction very difficult to detect.", and expect to have nobody speak about that specific individual. Even more so considering the week of false information that is about to end.

So yes, it's clearly on topic.

[Allenseiei]

In the light of recent events, and recent non-events and the rise of fake news and alternative facts, technology has gradually been improving in the area of actually making the distinction very difficult to detect.

Two separate projects mentioned in the following video are starting to make real inroads into what used to be science fiction.

1. Face2Face: Real-time Face Capture and Reenactment of RGB Videos
2. #VoCo: Allows you to change words in a voiceover simply by typing new words.

Together, these two tools currently in development would literally allow you to take video and audio of a well known (say politician, or activist or what ever) and make them say what ever you damn well pleased.

The tech isn't quite there yet, but experts in the field say this technology will be as available in 2020 as Photoshop with images is today.

So folks, get ready for a wild ride, there is an article here: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...ews-technology

The two product names above can be distinctly searched and researched.

While today I wouldn't be as audacious as to call every news fake, current news are very manipulative already towards public opinion. You can change how readers or viewers absorb the information just by how you give it out. It's also used by different idiologies to cater to their audience. They don't necesarily lie, but they are not telling the truth either.
Right now, you should always contrast news from various sources to see where these manipulations are and view all news with a pinch of salt and skepticism. The media have a lot of power in most countries and can easily change waves of public opinion in ways that benefit them.

When this "image" forgery becomes widespread, you just have to be more skeptical than before on the information you recieve. People will need to be better educated in order to not be manipulated by contradicting, confusing and manipulative information.

[Belize]

Idiocracy here we come!

I can't wait for Brawndo.

[schwarzkopf]

People will need to be better educated in order to not be manipulated by contradicting, confusing and manipulative information.

But that is already time consuming, I know that I spend a lot of time validating the stuff I talk about .... if in the future reality and fiction are literally indistinguishable - how do you proceed then?

Do we go back to eyewitness testimony ... because that worked so well

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Common, don't be disingenuous.

You cannot have a thread about fake news, which begins with "In the light of recent events, and recent non-events and the rise of fake news and alternative facts, technology has gradually been improving in the area of actually making the distinction very difficult to detect.", and expect to have nobody speak about that specific individual. Even more so considering the week of false information that is about to end.

So yes, it's clearly on topic.

You know very well how trump threads last. Regardless if the claims are true, it just ends bad here. Also MMO-Champion isn't some big indicator of fake news. It's while a popular site nothing in the big scheme of things in the US.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

You know very well how trump threads last. Regardless if the claims are true, it just ends bad here. Also MMO-Champion isn't some big indicator of fake news. It's while a popular site nothing in the big scheme of things in the US.

I'm all for less Trump, more everything else, but again it's hard not to speak of it in a thread where its relevancy is clear.

The thread would've been much less likely to be about Trump if it took the angle of "impersonation" rather than "fake news".

[Tijuana]

In the light of recent events, and recent non-events and the rise of fake news and alternative facts, technology has gradually been improving in the area of actually making the distinction very difficult to detect.

Two separate projects mentioned in the following video are starting to make real inroads into what used to be science fiction.

1. Face2Face: Real-time Face Capture and Reenactment of RGB Videos
2. #VoCo: Allows you to change words in a voiceover simply by typing new words.

Together, these two tools currently in development would literally allow you to take video and audio of a well known (say politician, or activist or what ever) and make them say what ever you damn well pleased.

The tech isn't quite there yet, but experts in the field say this technology will be as available in 2020 as Photoshop with images is today.

So folks, get ready for a wild ride, there is an article here: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...ews-technology

The two product names above can be distinctly searched and researched.

You don't need technology for fake news; you just need lazy news consumers.

[Manabomb]

News and fake news are already indistinguishable. We have Donald Trump as acting president of the United States, a majority conservative congress/senate and Great Britain is no longer apart of the EU.

Fake news already won, sadly.

[THE Bigzoman]

I'm not sure how, really. I mean okay "fake news" may be really well written, but much like Kellyanne Conway citing a fake massacre, it's really no more complicated than, I suppose at worst, calling the locals and asking if it actually happened.

Sure, might be hard to verify when they're talking about events in other countries, but really, "fake news" tends to be distinguished by the fact that it didn't happen.


On top of that, even if you could edit video to make a video look legit, there's still the fact that Bob who was in the video can speak up, and even sue you for doing just that.

Fake news only survives as long as people don't challenge it.

Verifying the truth of the news isn't bad thing to ask of viewers. But it does beg the question:

If I have to do the legwork to find out if you're telling me the truth, what's the point of having you at all, media?

[schwarzkopf]

You don't need technology for fake news; you just need lazy news consumers.

However, this kind of technology means you'll be able to mislead not just the lazy.

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News and fake news are already indistinguishable.

That's a different thing ... what you really mean is that satire and news have become indistinguishable.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

"Superman defends himself against crazed, money-hungry possibly-nuclear-charged Robot menace."
vs
"The universe is now poorer after self made men-hating Jockey steals Iron-Young Adult's life in cold blood."

"Job Creator killed in terrorist attack by illegal alien."

[Tijuana]

However, this kind of technology means you'll be able to mislead not just the lazy.

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That's a different thing ... what you really mean is that satire and news have become indistinguishable.

Everyone is already being mislead. /shrug

The result is not in any way what you fear, however. People will just immediately stop trusting ANY video. Nobody will be fooled more than once by this.

[Independent voter]

Associate Press is just the facts, they don't editorialize and they feel it's their sacred duty to make the news as accurate as possible

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/...P&SECTION=HOME

[rmgabi]

It's ok, I already don't believe almost anything I read or hear in the news, most of it already fake.

[Darkeon]

"Job Creator killed in terrorist attack by illegal alien."

5 stars lol

[Garnier Fructis]

Considering we're already at 5 fake news about Trump this week, I'd say we're already there!

Which five?

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Which five?

Trump calls Mexico and tells them they'll say the military to deal with bad hombre. - Debunked by Mexico and US spokesperson.
Trump anti-LGBT EO. - Debunked initially by Trump, then a supposed "leak" happened but it simply didn't happen.
Trump hanged the phone on AU PM. - Debunked by AU PM himself.
Trump remove election penalties on Russia - It was an old Obama law project that has simply been validated and pushed, as planned by the Obama admin, about penalties that weren't supposed to be there, yet were because of a bureaucracy problem.
Mother dies because of Trump's ban - She died before the ban happened. It was also backed by the Imam who took care of it.