The hypocrisy of abortion not '' being murder ''

[Machismo]

Stop harping on about he contract. It's a terrible and invasive idea, when you are starting a relationship the last thing you want to do is start signing legal documents absolving you of various possible responsibilities, if that's something that you think is appropriate when courting someone then you are a very special kind of person. It seems to me that you are the extreme opposite of the anti abortion people, you are extreme pro abortion. You think that if a woman decides she does not want to be a parent she is entitled to decide not to be but if she wants to keep it she has the right to expect financial help from someone who may not even be able to afford it. If a woman makes that decision she has to take responsibility for it herself, not expect someone else to pay for it. If she cannot afford it she has the option of aborting, if a man cannot afford it, you just don't care.

If the registry were to work it would need to be recognized as law otherwise people could just dispute a contract that they did not agree to, like if the woman hadn't registered but the guy had.

If one registers, but the other doesn't, then it wouldn't apply. Both people would have to agree that one is relinquishing responsibility. If you think only the man would be the one who needs to do it, then you undermine the entire principle of mutual agreement.

I'm pro freedom, and pro personal responsibility. I don't give a damn about abortion, mainly because it's none of my concern what someone else does with their body. If I had a uterus, then I would care about abortion. I don't care if either of them cannot afford it, because they both made a shitty decision to risk getting pregnant.

It boils down to the actions one takes, and taking responsibility for those actions. Regardless of what a woman chooses to do afterwards (or makes no decision at all), the man is still responsible for the consequences of his actions. As soon as she became pregnant, he is responsible for the outcome of that decision, so is she. Once conception occurs, a baby is the inevitable result, unless another action is taken. If no other action is taken, then the consequence is shared by two.

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This goes back to the original issue that you stated - that pregnancy is never accidental. You are actively demanding people to remain abstinent. Which I again state is illogical and unrealistic. Especially in this day and age where its pretty clear that we like options - because we have so many methods to stop pregnancies.

I'm not demanding abstinence, I'm recommending people think about the consequences of their actions. if someone doesn't want to risk getting a woman pregnant, and having a kid... there are numerous options. Pull out early, try anal, use a condom, spermicides, get a vasectomy, or don't have sex.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

That isn't what you said though. You said its never an accident. So having sex at all means you knowingly purposefully get pregnant. Which is a ridiculous thing to say.

[Machismo]

That isn't what you said though. You said its never an accident. So having sex at all means you knowingly purposefully get pregnant. Which is a ridiculous thing to say.

Having sex is a purposeful act, so any possible results should be anticipated. What I meant, is one should never be surprised that it's a possibility.

[Elegiac]

Having sex is a purposeful act, so any possible results should be anticipated. What I meant, is one should never be surprised that it's a possibility.

Much in the same way as a motor vehicle accident. We've been over this.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Having sex is a purposeful act, so any possible results should be anticipated. What I meant, is one should never be surprised that it's a possibility.

Again, thats why I bring up walking. You are basically saying that anyone who trips while walking did so intentionally. That doesn't make logical sense.

[Jastall]

No, it's not.

The point is that this pregnant woman is being given special treatment due to being pregnant.

If you were to give an abortion pill to a woman that isn't pregnant, you wouldn't get a punishment as harsh as this.

Why? The fetus has no rights. It can be chopped up by a doctor legally.

So how is poisoning a pregnant woman graver than poisoning a non pregnant woman?

That's the hypocrisy.

I can choose to give away one of my kidneys. That doesn't give you the right to knock me unconscious and forcibly remove it from my body before I do so.

[The Stormbringer]

Gotta love those that fight for the rights of the criminals, makes you glad to know they would be on your side if you ever walked that path! =P

Right? I'm so happy they'd go out of their way, inconveniencing themselves for my sake, if I ever decided to become a criminal. It warms my heart!

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Again, thats why I bring up walking. You are basically saying that anyone who trips while walking did so intentionally. That doesn't make logical sense.

Actually, I don't think he means they did it intentionally, so much as they should accept it as a possibility that it could happen. If I'm walking, I understand I might trip, or slip, or have a piano fall on me. It's not that likely, but there is a chance.

Certainly doesn't mean I'm to blame when that happens, though.

[Deleted]

What is hypocritic about that? Murder is unlawful killing, it's a legal term. If abortion is legal then it's not unlawful killing for a woman to get an abortion. Seems like a simple thing to understand.

[Total Crica]

What is hypocritic about that? Murder is unlawful killing, it's a legal term. If abortion is legal then it's not unlawful killing for a woman to get an abortion. Seems like a simple thing to understand.

Their solution is to change the law to make it unlawful, of course.

[Betelgeuse]

It is interfering with the woman's bodily autonomy.

Entering her and leaving a deposit can be considered the same thing.

[Total Crica]

Entering her and leaving a deposit can be considered the same thing.

Not when she gave the OK on that. That is how bodily autonomy works.

[Betelgeuse]

What is hypocritic about that? Murder is unlawful killing, it's a legal term. If abortion is legal then it's not unlawful killing for a woman to get an abortion. Seems like a simple thing to understand.

At least you admit that it is lawful killing, most pro-abortionists won't even concede that fact.

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Not when she gave the OK on that. That is how bodily autonomy works.

What he did was wrong, even criminal, but equal rights doesn't mean the woman gets all the rights and men just have to go along. Equal = Equal, not weighted against men due to prior oppression that may or may not have involved the alleged bigot.

[Total Crica]

equal rights doesn't mean the woman gets all the rights

Equal rights means they get the SAME rights

women get the right to bodily autonomy, men get the right to bodily autonomy

women get the right to give up parental rights, men get the right to give up parental rights

my ex-husband and I both did this for our unwanted pregnancy - we gave the child away

my current husband and I will abort any of our unwanted pregnancies that result from failed contreception, however, because I don't want to risk my life again

[Deleted]

At least you admit that it is lawful killing, most pro-abortionists won't even concede that fact.

"Pro-abortionists"? ... What?

[Vankrys]

let's care more about actual human being living and breathing (AKA the mother) and less about potential human being of teh future (here, the foetus).

yes abortion is killing a living being, but the being is not sentient, not self aware. Society should thrive to make a better living for its members, not enforce archaic religious belief.

[Total Crica]

if you do it correctly

There is always the risk you will fall. Perfection doesn't exist.

[Deleted]

An abortion pill is just a stronger version of the morning-after pill. It will cause a few days of bleeding. Essentially a very strong period...

Surely the emotional pain is what causes the sentence to be this long? It is still weird seeing as here in Scandinavia 7 years is a very long time in prison, a. There are murderers who have had less than 7 years.

[Deleted]

An abortion pill is just a stronger version of the morning-after pill. It will cause a few days of bleeding. Essentially a very strong period...

Surely the emotional pain is what causes the sentence to be this long? It is still weird seeing as here in Scandinavia 7 years is a very long time in prison, a. There are murderers who have had less than 7 years.

What murderers?

[Deleted]

What murderers?

http://www.strafferetshjaelpen.dk/fagomrader/drab.html

Says here that the sentence in regards to intentional murder is 5 years to life time. The sentence for non-intentional murder is from a fine to 4 months. In the exceptional cases of non-intentional murder it is up to 8 years. This is for Denmark, I would imagine it is even softer in Norway and Sweden.

[Rampant Rabbit]

The guy robbed this woman of a life with a child, a life that she decided she wanted.

Does it really surprise you that the guy got 7 years? Holy fuck.