Trump Supporter Explains Why Trump Won

[DrMcNinja]

There lies the rub. Trump made vague promises (e.g. MAGA) that said what they wanted to hear (MAGA meant jobs for everyone in any industry...or pretty much anything else that Trump voters decided to insert into such vague promises). Clinton's answers involved thought, so were dismissed out of hand by most Trump voters.

Simple "truths" are like candy; they don't have sustenance, but they taste good. Reality isn't simple, but is where sustenance lies and many times has a bitter aftertaste.

Guess which one Trump supporters ate up...

Much like eating the zero GDP claim, which was met by loud applause. It's a shame, really.

[belleflop]

I wanted to open a discussion as to how the coast sees things, and how the mid west sees things.

We on the coasts tend to be more on the liberal side. We have plenty of jobs and opportunities as this is where many people live, in heavily populated states.

However, in the midwest, there are not as many opportunities, and not as many jobs. The man in this video explains in more details, feel free to give it a watch, and maybe try and understand how the midwest felt about this election.



What do you think about this message? If you feel that all Trump supporters are just racist bigots, do you take into consideration the things that are more important to these people? More important than LBGT rights?

SO let me get the arguments down followed by mu inputs here:

1.) You lost because you told the poor in Penn/Wis/Mich, that despite them losing their jobs and factories being shut down that they were the privileged ones because of their skin color. That they benefit from white privilege.

1A.) So selling them false hope of getting their jobs back in mass is any better? Trump promised he would bring back these industries and factory jobs that have long since dissipated. These people hurting will still be clinging to this flase hope while their lives get worse and worse. I think BOTH sides have failed these people and continue to do so. Bernie and Warren are the only ones trying to bring awareness to this problem to this day, right now!

2.) He (the guy talking into the camera) uses the over used premise stereotype "all liberals being in ivory towers and large office spaces" - that we (assume he's referring to his team, conservative?) working class people care about your identity politics.

2A.) He uses a stereotype to categorize all liberals, and follows that up with a denouncement that he doesn't care about identity politics. O..K..

3.) All republicans think about is how to feed their family and how to pay for medical bills.

3A.) This isn't a republican thing, this is a poor and working-class poor and poor middle class thing. Has nothing to do with what side of politics you are on. If you work two minimum wage jobs and can't make ends meet, it doesn't matter what your political views you have, you need social programs to help to get by. If you want to look at policies, republicans try and CUT social programs for the poor and needy. So in essence you are fighting against your own interests policy wise if you are poor and are a republican.

4.) Liberals are the real racist because they redefined the word racist to mean power, privilege, prejudiced. Liberals say all white people are racist and that anyone that defends them are uncle tom/yangs. You call people who disagree with you racist and nazi. You don't listen to us when we try to tell you what we believe, you demonize us. So in your mind it's ok to punch us, because what's more american that punching a nazi.

4A.)rac·ist, ˈrāsəst/, noun 1.a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

That's not redefining the word, that is the definition of the word.. The rest of the argument is just rambling about liberals not listening and then not telling them what you want them to listen to you about.


5.) You have one foot over the line right now, a line you do not want to cross. You are normalizing violence. Your side has caused violence towards trump supporters. Once you cross this line you will start a war you can't win. You are outnumbers, out manned, out gunned, you can not win this. You can win by reaching out to conservatives, ask them what they believe. Because if YOU do not change you are going to lose.

5A.) So this is the weirdness one yet. He (the guy talking to the camera) says liberals are the one causing all the violence. Well.. that's objectively false. Then says liberals will lose the war (assumed the war of being violent?) because republicans have more weapons and people. So denouncing people using violence by threatening them with violence. hum.. that doesn't add up. Finishes up the argument by saying liberals have to change, not ALL of us, just liberals.


If this is your flag barrier for clarifying "why Trump won", then you do you. To me it's just incoherent rambling of someones predispositions. It obvious because he used stereotypes to show how liberals are bad, while simultaneously using his own to justify his positions. Just not a fun discussion to have overall. It'll go nowhere.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If Trump as an outsider, being attacked from all sides can clinch the nomination and presidency I see no reason why Bernie couldn't. He simply wasn't as popular as Clinton. And that's coming from someone who voted for him.

I voted for Bernie, and wanted him to win.

I get sick and tired of all the Bernie bros who are still being sore losers over this. Especially the ones that say that Bernie was strong armed into supporting Clinton. They need a reality check. Bernie lost. Even removing super delegates, and all of the other factors they say that made it "unfair", removing all of those elements he still lost. And when he lost, he knew that Trump was a huge threat to liberal policy, and is why he threw all of his support behind Clinton. Because Clinton had snowballed much of Bernie's policy into her own campaign, like free college and pushing for better healthcare reform.

But of course the bitter and salty Bernie Bros. just viewed him as mindwashed, and continued to scream and rant like annoying harpies about how ebul Clinton was.

[Allybeboba]

And apparently it was so good, that it required replacement. Well, or maybe it wasnt affordable for just everyone, what brings us back to step one.

Worked for decades. And ACA didn't work from day one. It literally didn't work on day one.

[Noxx79]

And you have bought into the liberal lie.

And you didn't counter my point. That means you have nothing.

[Cerilis]

You would think the last 8 years and the 8 years Bill was in charge that equal rights would have happened....

Or maybe no matter what you do a group of people will always believe someone has it better.

The evil immigrants and snobby college kids with their free handouts I guess?

[Scathbais]

This is precisely the reply I would expect. Deflection and obfuscation - and it's precisely how someone like Trump was elected.

The rational arguments were already made - you ignored them, and now we have what amounts to a traitor in the White House. It's not my fault you didn't pay attention to what we were telling you.

You made zero rational arguments Cubby. Why don't you go read back what you wrote: "Trump Lied" "they were lied to", "You list those things above as if they are the equivalent to what Trump and his team did". These are your opinions, not rational arguments. Rational arguments include logic and data. You provide nothing more than DNC, CNN and NY Times talking points.

[Allybeboba]

I voted for Bernie, and wanted him to win.

I get sick and tired of all the Bernie bros who are still being sore losers over this. Especially the ones that say that Bernie was strong armed into supporting Clinton. They need a reality check. Bernie lost. Even removing super delegates, and all of the other factors they say that made it "unfair", removing all of those elements he still lost. And when he lost, he knew that Trump was a huge threat to liberal policy, and is why he threw all of his support behind Clinton. Because Clinton had snowballed much of Bernie's policy into her own campaign, like free college and pushing for better healthcare reform.

But of course the bitter and salty Bernie Bros. just viewed him as mindwashed, and continued to scream and rant like annoying harpies about how ebul Clinton was.

Too bad the DNC didn't want Bernie to win. We might be in a different boat.

[Deleted]

The mid west is also inherently lazier and less educated than the coastal areas, thus having a much much smaller reach to find a job than those that live at the coastal areas. Then they obviously cry at the government for not having enough jobs. If you do not want to invest into getting a job, surprise, you won't be getting it for real. Coastal states know that well enough, that their standard and life is much more expensive and they won't last long without a job.

[Taneras]

In the reality I live in - Europe - I even get healthcare when I have no job. But I guess that's evul socialism.

Great, yall can take in the tens of millions of Americans that will lose their coverage if the Affordable Healthcare Act is repealed or self implodes.

I'm also pretty sure voting for the party with a questionable stance against healthcare all along, not mentioning fighting it at every step, will surely help their situation, no?

If your assertions were true yea, but I don't agree with your assertions.

[Dug]

But of course the bitter and salty Bernie Bros. just viewed him as mindwashed, and continued to scream and rant like annoying harpies about how ebul Clinton was.

They did kinda shoot themselves in the foot. But whatever the damage is done. Hopefully they learned their lesson.

[Cerilis]

Worked for decades. And ACA didn't work from day one. It literally didn't work on day one.

So, you are telling me, it worked for everyone to pay their hospital and medical bills?

[Allybeboba]

And you didn't counter my point. That means you have nothing.

And you didn't counter mine...

[Azadina]

Not starving to death. Being able to afford medicine. Being able to cloth your children.

The Trump supporters on this forum are always busy pointing out, that Trump supporters are too busy working jobs to "not riot in the streets". Why would promises of jobs have any impact on them, if indeed, they all have jobs. Or maybe it's alternate facts, seeing how red states receive most welfare already?

[Dug]

Still waiting to hear about these millions of jobs (that provide health insurance) when the illegals leave.

[Taneras]

This is precisely the reply I would expect. Deflection and obfuscation - and it's precisely how someone like Trump was elected.

The rational arguments were already made - you ignored them, and now we have what amounts to a traitor in the White House. It's not my fault you didn't pay attention to what we were telling you.

I'm willing to address reasonable arguments, unfortunately so far you've made none to me. Your counter argument to me was asserting that I was wrong and faking outrage at how I could hold an such an opinion. How do I argue against that? I can't. If you don't want to make rational arguments, fine. But don't expect intelligent people to just buy into whatever you say if you act outraged enough and staunchly make assertions.

[Noxx79]

And you didn't counter mine...

I absolutely did. Name one job that an illegal immigrant holds that will be taken by a citizen. Again, these are worse than the fast food jobs that are available.

[Dug]

The Trump supporters on this forum are always busy pointing out, that Trump supporters are too busy working jobs to "riot in the streets". Why would promises of jobs have any impact on them, if indeed, they all have jobs. Or maybe it's alternate facts, seeing how red states receive most welfare already?

Pointed that out yesterday and nobody commented on that also they love to show data that Trump supporters on average had higher incomes. Sounds to me like they were well off then. So guess they're not hurting for jobs? What is the truth?!

[Deleted]

I feel Trump pushed the job promise more than Clinton did.

He did, but he's not going to deliver, because the job loss isn't because companies are moving out of the country, it's because jobs are getting automated and in the mid west, nearly 60% of all current jobs will be automated within the next 2 decades and that's something, not even a president, can prevent. They'll have to get on track and swap their manufacturing based economy into a services/financial based economy, because that's the only two sectors that will never get automated.

[stomination]

The evil immigrants and snobby college kids with their free handouts I guess?

You can just fill in the blank with just about anything.