Trump Supporter Explains Why Trump Won

[Allybeboba]

You said people who voted for Obama voted for trump. That is false. Unless you think the rust belt is a hive mind.

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So you wAnt American citizens to be drug dealers? Because they already are. You're really flailing here.

How does that decrease unemployment. You're really nt making any sense. Are you ok?

I did not state that. You simply asked for a job position that an illegal alien currently fills that an American would fill in their shoes. I gave you one.

It seems you are the one that is foolishly flailing. I even asked if you wanted a legal position. Have a wonderful day!

[Cthulhu 2020]

Still waiting to hear about these millions of jobs (that provide health insurance) when the illegals leave.

You won't hear about it.

The history of "they took our jobs!" is pretty funny when you realize where it came from. When manufacturing was shipping factories and other jobs to Mexico, China, and other parts of Asia, there was big backlash from people losing their jobs. The companies who were shipping jobs overseas began a campaign to get the heat off of them. It was of course their fault. They were the ones moving jobs elsewhere. But to keep the heat and blame off themselves, their scapegoat was "The illegals are taking your jobs!" which of course was pushed and said by politicians in the pockets of these big companies.

Before all of this happened, we had an open border with Mexico. And again, this is another thing conservatives often have trouble understanding. Open border does not mean people can come and immigrate without going through a process. It simply means that they can visit without much fuss or vetting. When we had open borders, Mexicans came to the US for seasonal work picking crops and cleaning hotel rooms during picking season and tourist season. Then they would go back to Mexico and work more seasonal jobs there when the seasonal jobs in the US were done. This had been going on for most of the 20th century. Then, Bush Sr ended our open border with Mexico because of this "they took our jobs!" lie.

The jobs illegals work have ALWAYS been ones that Americans have never worked. Picking crops and cleaning hotel rooms has always been primarily Mexican "nomadic" workers.

But of course the easily fooled and gullible swallowed every word of their elected overlords. That it was illegals taking their factory jobs... even though the factories were, you know, completely closed down.

And ever since the 80's, that line that the illegals are taking American jobs has taken on a life of its own. The gullible and easily fooled still drink in every word of their elected overlords. They continue to believe lie after lie. After all, they want some kind of scapegoat. They can't blame their benevolent lords, the wealthy who "make jobs". Even though these people are the ones who shipped jobs overseas, we can't blame them. The wealthy are here to worship, not to blame for our plight. So we'll just believe politicians who claim it was the illegals.

[Noxx79]

Are companies willing to pay fair wages?

Sorry that's the democratic platform and automatically wrong because it places regulations on businesses

[Kathandira]

If there aren't any illegal immigrants to work for sub-standard wages, then employers will have to raise wages/provide benefits to lure American workers. Pretty simple concept no?

Or, find some shmuck who is willing to do two peoples work for the pay of one. Depseration makes people take bad deals.

[Dug]

Not as much as Bernie was beating him.

And? Majority is majority. Clinton was considered by everybody a for sure thing. As a fellow "bernie bro" we need to get over it and realize Clinton was more popular than Sanders in the primaries. That's all there is to it. Either bite the bullet and work with the shit hand you're dealt with or don't.

[Kakera]

Taking yourself that seriously in a world that's quite literally a joke. How sad.

[Noxx79]

I did not state that. You simply asked for a job position that an illegal alien currently fills that an American would fill in their shoes. I gave you one.

It seems you are the one that is foolishly flailing. I even asked if you wanted a legal position. Have a wonderful day!

yup, run away when you have no point. Shows how empty you are.

You wre even wrong with your answers. You are completely transparent, and very sad. Have you had an original thought in your life or do you just vomit out what we the right wing tells you?

you've been proven wrong and wrong again. It is impossible to work with someone who is detached from reality.

[Baelic]

Are all Trump supporters racists and bigots? No, certainly not.

Did all Trump supporters give mass power to and enabled a subset of the Country that ARE racists, bigots, and filled with hate for no good reason? Yes, yes they did. So long as they own up to that and help fight that hatred, I have little issue with them.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It matters because the polls had Bernie beating Trump in the general election. Bernie would have won the rust belt states that defected to Trump after Hillary ignored them.

Yeah, probably.

Hillary was telling an uncomfortable truth. That manufacturing jobs were never coming back, and that we needed to invest money into retraining those workers. But of course they didn't want to hear that. They didn't want money to be "retrained". They didn't want to hear that they'd have to go through a few years of technical training so that they could fit into this new global economy. They just wanted their old, low skill manufacturing job back.

Her plan was a solid one, one that would get these people employed. But they simply didn't like it. They didn't want new jobs.

And of course Trump gave them the comforting lie that he'd bring back all of their old manufacturing jobs. That they wouldn't be getting money from the government for retraining into better paying jobs in an ever evolving economy.


The biggest problem with Bernie is that he had a lot of holes and void space in his policy. He talked about free college and health care and... not much else. People wanted to know about his foreign policy and military strategy, they wanted to know about so much that he simply never addressed. His campaign had massive holes in it that you could drive the Hindenburg through. And of course those holes are probably a big reason why he lost as well. Many of the more skeptical and pragmatic liberals didn't like that he had no plans for a great majority of what the president does.

[Tico]

I also don't like the fact that Trump won. But this guy speaks right.
Another cause for Trump win is: the democrats should have supported Sanders, not Clinton.

[Kathandira]

Are all Trump supporters racists and bigots? No, certainly not.

Did all Trump supporters give mass power to and enabled a subset of the Country that ARE racists, bigots, and filled with hate for no good reason? Yes, yes they did. So long as they own up to that and help fight that hatred, I have little issue with them.

For those like the man in the video, they don't care. They just want to have job options again.

As I mentioned earlier, the coasts and middle US are two completely different worlds. It is hard to imagine how terrible it is in some places if you live along the coasts.

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I also don't like the fact that Trump won. But this guy speaks right.
Another cause for Trump win is: the democrats should have supported Sanders, not Clinton.

I whole heartedly agree.

If only Bernie was a little younger, we could see a second attempt in 2020. But I feel he is going to retire before that.

[Cthulhu 2020]

And? Majority is majority. Clinton was considered by everybody a for sure thing. As a fellow "bernie bro" we need to get over it and realize Clinton was more popular than Sanders in the primaries. That's all there is to it. Either bite the bullet and work with the shit hand you're dealt with or don't.

Yeah, unfortunately a lot of the Bernie Bros would rather be vindictive and, frankly, petty and go with Trump than be pragmatic and practical. Clinton was half of what they wanted, but much like the spoiled children of the world, they'd rather throw a tantrum and burn things to the ground when they don't get 100% their way, than be practical.

[Allybeboba]

Sadly though, greed will not employ people.

If you have 10 employees, and 5 are illegal and working at half the rate of minimum wage, do you think the business owner will happily pay 5 new people twice the rate of the illegal immigrants? I forsee 5 people doing twice the work for the same pay they've been receiving. Ive been on the shit end of this stick before. It isn't unheard of.

For the most part illegals make at least minimum wage here in Houston. The ACLU would not allow otherwise. LULAC is pretty powerful here as well. Early last year there was a big raid on a tortilla factory and 100+ people were arrested. The illegal immigrants that did not have any felonies were released. Immigration lawyering is a big deal here.

[cubby]

Not as much as Bernie was beating him.

Yeah, Bernie always had a larger lead in a theoretical match between him and Trump.

[Wyrt]

Maybe Trump supporters should spend less time on Tumblr. Seems that's where they get the majority of their ideas about what liberals are.

[Allybeboba]

yup, run away when you have no point. Shows how empty you are.

You wre even wrong with your answers. You are completely transparent, and very sad. Have you had an original thought in your life or do you just vomit out what we the right wing tells you?

you've been proven wrong and wrong again. It is impossible to work with someone who is detached from reality.

Ah yes, the calling card of the liberal. To personally insult people.
Have a wonderful day!!

[Dug]

Ah yes, the calling card of the liberal. To personally insult people.
Have a wonderful day!!

Is "have a wonderful day" your new /cheers?

[Stormspellz]

The same goes for the younger generations aswell.
What about education costs? What about supporting their family while they get education? Thing simply aren't that simple in reality.

Of course automation is going to happen, and it's coming, but we should encourage the opposite, i have no qualms about forcing incentives and restrictions on businesses to encourage people over automation. There is still some drastic changes needed in western society overall before we can just bend over and accept that people lose their jobs left and right to automation, only to tell them to pick themselves up by their boostraps and just go and get some education in whatever, and Clinton sure as hell did not promise or show any signs of giving a shit about that, Trump did.





You don't prepare for the future by telling lower class workers to fuck themselves and get educated while ignoring everything from education costs to what these people actually want to work with, and everything between.

I agree but thankfully that isn't what is happening, thats what the opposition's rhetoric says is happening, but actual legislation that has been presented clearly points to that not happening

[Soeroah]

There are dozens of reasons he won. A lot of people were tricked by Trump's lies, a lot mindblowingly saw Clinton as the worse of. two evils in their blind rage, some are racist, some legit don't understand the globalising world, some are uneducated, some see benefits to themselves and don't care about others, and some probably thought it would be funny. Then, after all that he still lost. the popular vote, but the EC was able to ignore their duty and elevate him to the Presidency because it suited them.

[Leadsop]

But Trump won't help these people. He used them becuase they are either desperate or simply lack understanding.
He won becuase he fooled these people into thinking he was fighting for them.

Are you suggesting Hillary would have fought for anyone other than herself and her private and/or political interests?

If you think so, you are just as wrong as anyone you think you're insulting.