KY: Men must get note from wives before purchasing Viagra.

[Raelbo]

How is it a valse equivalency? The argument for pro life is that abortion destroys a human life,

Exactly. It's the argument for pro life. It's not a proven or accepted universal truth.

and if her point to show that they are wrong is to regulate Viagra then she doesn't understand the argument and it makes her look like a fucking moron.

There is a difference between understanding the argument and agreeing with it. For example, if you try and argue that the earth is flat, not accepting your argument would not make me look like a fucking moron.

But yes, it's pretty clear you don't understand her argument. You can draw whatever inferences from that as you please.

[tankbug]

It's a bad analogy. Viagra/vasectomy affects only the man.

Abortion affects the woman and the man's kid.

Abortion affects the woman and the man's penis milk, that might eventually, after a loooong time result in something else than a being a parasitic slime nugget.

[Poopymonster]

So it does not happen?

It does happen. But before you go thrusting Uncle Sam's Freedom Boner into other countries, you take care of shit at home first. "We have coat hanger abortions, women are turned into axlotl tanks, but gosh darn, Bumfuckia let's women dress how then want because of us, let's celebrate!"

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So basically you're trying to prove false equivalence using a strawman. Nice.

They are good christians, viagra isn't destroying a human life. If a woman gets the worst STD, a KID, it's part of the plan. If a guy can't get it up, guess what, part of the plan. Who are WE to try and change that?

[Raelbo]

It's a bad analogy. Viagra/vasectomy affects only the man.

Abortion affects the woman and the man's kid.

I am tired of reading the same tired diatribe from you. The perpetual problem with all your mysogynist viewpoint is that they lack any kind of empathy for anyone other than yourself. Until you learn that skill, you'll simply never get it. It's like arguing about the beauty of rainbows with a blind person.

[Total Crica]

I am tired of reading the same tired arguments with you. The perpetual problem with all your mysogynist driven arguments is that they lack any kind of empathy for anyone other than yourself and until you learn that skill, you'll simply never get it. It's like arguing about the beauty of rainbows with a blind person.

The retort to that has always been (that I have experienced) : why should anyone care about a woman who doesn't care about the life she allowed to be created inside her?

[pateuvasiliu]

I am tired of reading the same tired diatribe from you. The perpetual problem with all your mysogynist viewpoint is that they lack any kind of empathy for anyone other than yourself. Until you learn that skill, you'll simply never get it. It's like arguing about the beauty of rainbows with a blind person.

Stop throwing buzzwords around as if they make you look like the good christian boy and I the devil.


This has nothing to do with mysoginism. It would be mysoginism if I said women aren't mentally capable of deciding on their own and I am not saying that. I am saying that the man should have at least a semblance of rights. Losing a child has an emotional impact on you.

[Deleted]

Why would I need to send notes for that?.
Like why the f would government require me to have my husband as a pet, and be responsible for his prescriptions.

It's bad enough that anti-abortion nuts exist. But the countertrolling we're seeing is done and supported by people with less of a brain than them.

Mary Lou Marzian, her supporters, her local party branch, and any similar idiot can go fuck themselves.

[pateuvasiliu]

Abortion affects the woman and the man's penis milk, that might eventually, after a loooong time result in something else than a being a parasitic slime nugget.

And yet the man has to pay child support for that penis milk.

The double standard never fails to amuse me.


In a rational society based on equality, you can't have both.

You can't treat the man's contribution as 0 when it suits you and then claim he has 50% of the responsibility when it doesn't.

That just makes you a hypocrite.

[Deleted]

Hint: She doesn't actually want those laws, read the article again and pay attention this time.

We know that.
"LOL I'm just trolling", doesn't make her less of an idiot.
Particularly not when there are actual people, family conservative folks, out there who would be fine with it.

[tankbug]

And yet the man has to pay child support for that penis milk.

The double standard never fails to amuse me.


In a rational society based on equality, you can't have both.

You can't treat the man's contribution as 0 when it suits you and then claim he has 50% of the responsibility when it doesn't.

That just makes you a hypocrite.

And I don't agree that he should have to pay when he has no saying in the matter. I would like to see laws that would release a man from that obligation as long as he will surrender any form of parental right to the child, and I think some sort of restraining order should be set, so he can't try to exploit the situation if he should change his mind. But the woman should decide if she wants to have the baby.

[pateuvasiliu]

And I don't agree that he should have to pay when he has no saying in the matter. I would like to see laws that would release a man from that obligation as long as he will surrender any form of parental right to the child, and I think some sort of restraining order should be set, so he can't try to exploit the situation if he should change his mind. But the woman should decide if she wants to have the baby.

And I agree with that.

But right now the women have their cake and eat it too.

[Celista]

Technically, you're leading by example, though for other reasons.

Yeah, the article was from a year ago. Odd that it popped up in a sidebar on the WP website...

[Narwal]

Push it through, then use the precedent to go even further into controlling abortion. That's what I'd do if I was a Republican lawmaker. The Democrats have handed you a treat here, they've agreed with you that morality should play in the abortion debate. Maybe a law that requires a woman to confirm the father of the baby, and get consent from the father before having an abortion.

As President Obama showed us with the threat of Sequestration, sometimes you get what you didn't ask for but threatened with.

[Raelbo]

This has nothing to do with mysoginism. It would be mysoginism if I said women aren't mentally capable of deciding on their own and I am not saying that.

While you're correct that "It would be mysoginism if I said women aren't mentally capable of deciding on their own", the absence of that statement does not mean your viewpoints cannot be mysogynistic. I am saying your viewpoint is mysogynistic because it places the importance of males desires over female needs and this is evident everytime you contribute on these topics.

I am saying that the man should have at least a semblance of rights. Losing a child has an emotional impact on you.

While in principle you are correct, that having a woman abort a child without the consent of the father is wrong, you consistently fail to consider the practical alternatives, all of which are infinitely worse. If we lived in a fantasy world where Scotty could beam the foetus out of the woman's womb into yours then your argument might start to make some semblance of sense, but in the real world there are no viable alternatives.

It's either: Father has a say, and thus the woman has to comply, or the woman has the final say and the father has to comply.

Which is why I call you out for holding a mysogynist viewpoint - because you consider the male position to be the equivalent of the female position.

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But right now the women have their cake and eat it too.

It's comments like these that confirm what I am saying. Clearly you have no clue about how women think or feel because honestly, in spite of the tribulations faced by men on these issues, women really do have it far worse because of basic biology.

You can't argue double standards and hypocrisy when you're dealing with an asymetrical biological system. It's called a false equivalence.

[zenkai]

Exactly. It's the argument for pro life. It's not a proven or accepted universal truth.



There is a difference between understanding the argument and agreeing with it. For example, if you try and argue that the earth is flat, not accepting your argument would not make me look like a fucking moron.

But yes, it's pretty clear you don't understand her argument. You can draw whatever inferences from that as you please.

You don't understand the argument at all, it's rather sad. I mean disagree with it I can understand but you or her would never make a compelling argument. Even an intelligent pro choice knows this is a fucking retarded argument.

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I am tired of reading the same tired diatribe from you. The perpetual problem with all your mysogynist viewpoint is that they lack any kind of empathy for anyone other than yourself. Until you learn that skill, you'll simply never get it. It's like arguing about the beauty of rainbows with a blind person.

You argue with emotion then you use insults when you can't use logic. No one here should take your argument seriously.

[cubby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hasing-viagra/


Clearly a response to http://newsok.com/article/5538011

This is what American politics has devolved into, political parties trolling one another.

At this point they should all just be wiped out and replaced.

[pateuvasiliu]

While you're correct that "It would be mysoginism if I said women aren't mentally capable of deciding on their own", the absence of that statement does not mean your viewpoints cannot be mysogynistic. I am saying your viewpoint is mysogynistic because it places the importance of males desires over female needs and this is evident everytime you contribute on these topics.



While in principle you are correct, that having a woman abort a child without the consent of the father is wrong, you consistently fail to consider the practical alternatives, all of which are infinitely worse. If we lived in a fantasy world where Scotty could beam the foetus out of the woman's womb into yours then your argument might start to make some semblance of sense, but in the real world there are no viable alternatives.

It's either: Father has a say, and thus the woman has to comply, or the woman has the final say and the father has to comply.

Which is why I call you out for holding a mysogynist viewpoint - because you consider the male position to be the equivalent of the female position.

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It's comments like these that confirm what I am saying. Clearly you have no clue about how women think or feel because honestly, in spite of the tribulations faced by men on these issues, women really do have it far worse because of basic biology.

You can't argue double standards and hypocrisy when you're dealing with an asymetrical biological system. It's called a false equivalence.

No, it's not. Right now a woman never has to worry about a partner poking holes in condoms and FORCING her to pay child support for 18 years.

You claim women have it worse, I call bullshit a hundred times over.

A man has sex with a woman and due to no choice of his own following the encounter he can wake up, years later, without even being told about the kid, sued for child support. Does that sound fair to you?

Is it fair to you that a woman can get her hands on a rich dude and have a free ride through life on the back of massive child support amounts?

[Total Crica]

A man has sex with a woman and due to no choice of his own following the encounter he can wake up, years later, without even being told about the kid, sued for child support. Does that sound fair to you?

No more fair then waking up one day to discover your body never warned you in ways that you understand that you were pregnant until right then and you will be giving birth to a child in the next few weeks, I agree.

[Mehrunes]

Yeah, the article was from a year ago. Odd that it popped up in a sidebar on the WP website...

*Channels inner breadisfunny* It's because Draenei exist in a different time zone created to keep the time of the rest of us pure.

[pateuvasiliu]

No more fair then waking up one day to discover your body never warned you in ways that you understand that you were pregnant until right then and you will be giving birth to a child in the next few weeks, I agree.

Except this doesn't happen and what I pointed out does.