Why is Legion the best EXP ever?

[Rogalicus]

This is shocking. We have 11 dungeons and they're all still relevant AND challenging. This was NOT the case in wotlk. Only tbc had a similar kind of system but only because of the way gear had to be obtained. And mind you, even at the end of TBC Heroics were skipped for pvp gear which gave you kara ready gear.
So yeah, no. We NEVER had 5 man dungeons being not only still relevant but still a challenge this deep into an expansion ever. M+ system is just a NEW way to approach old content, and whether you like it or not, it's objectively a costant source of relevant content and THAT from 5 man we never had before.

If you didn't play MoP and WoD, then maybe it's really new for you, but Mythic+ is nothing more than rebranded challenge mode. Multiple difficulties instead of one, scaling mobs up instead of scaling party down, chests instead of medals and imbalanced affixes — that's all. I'd argue that CM was more challenging, because you couldn't just roflstomp it with better gear, like people do with M+15 right now.
So we have rebranded dailies, rebranded CM and rebranded warforged, so where's your 'more content than ever'?

[Deleted]

Granted that real life circumstances basically forced me to stop playing wow when the xpac was released, even casually, can't say i know much about Legion.

Even before Legion i was an active casual - if that makes sense - but when it came out I played it for around 2 weeks. I got my shaman to max level and started thinking to myself Hell, im gonna have to do this for my other 4 chars?!

And then life hit me and i had to stop. Shame really, i was really looking forward to try mythic+. I recall telling my guildmates i wasn't gonna raid, but atleast i could go hard on 5 mans

I came back pretty much with similar circumstances. Lets face it, the reason why I had 10 alts to begin with is because I didn't enjoy wod's endgame.
I'll be totally honest, I will NOT do what I've done with my main with any of the other chars, unless things are somewhat facilitated for alts in the future.
Having said that man, as a casual player I'm having a blast. High m+ with friends are like mini raids with progression and all

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If you didn't play MoP and WoD, then maybe it's really new for you, but Mythic+ is nothing more than rebranded challenge mode. Multiple difficulties instead of one, scaling mobs up instead of scaling party down, chests instead of medals and imbalanced affixes — that's all. I'd argue that CM was more challenging, because you couldn't just roflstomp it with better gear, like people do with M+15 right now.
So we have rebranded dailies, rebranded CM and rebranded warforged, so where's your 'more content than ever'?

Yeah no. Mythic + are challenge mode only though with progression as a final goal and not only bling bling. Basically put, they worked challenge modes into char progression, and they done it with style. Great job.
Similarly to what they have done to dailies, just reworked them throw them across the field, and generally improved them. Great.
Where's more content?
Everywhere, as a newly dinged 110 you work your WQ, while working your shal aran rep, then there are mythics, m+, raids, artifact and its quests, professions and their quests...
Oh and then there is that whole new pvp system
Plenty.

[markos82]

No mandatory daily quests.
Mythic + is amazing.
There is always something to do.
Level scaling means 110 character won't be stuck in one max level zone.

They kinda are if you wanna farm AP
Its ok, not amazing but ok.
What apart from M+? I mean really what is there to do?
At high ilvl it doesnt matter, you can pull 10+ and kill them easy as dps, as tank you can pull 20+ mobs and kill them without your HP dropping to 90% ever.

[Deleted]

They kinda are if you wanna farm AP
Its ok, not amazing but ok.
What apart from M+? I mean really what is there to do?
At high ilvl it doesnt matter, you can pull 10+ and kill them easy as dps, as tank you can pull 20+ mobs and kill them without your HP dropping to 90% ever.

Raids? Pvp?

[Rogalicus]

Where's more content?
Everywhere, as a newly dinged 110 you work your WQ, while working your shal aran rep, then there are mythics, m+, raids, artifact and its quests, professions and their quests...
Oh and then there is that whole new pvp system
Plenty.

I can say the same about WoD, as a newly dinged 100 you work your apexis dailies, while working your legendary ring, then there are mythics with a chance to get 725 ilvl gear, CM, raids, garrison and its quests, profession buildings and their quests...
Oh and then there is that whole new Ashran

[Deleted]

Because there's always something to do. You always have a reason to log on and play.

[markos82]

Raids? Pvp?

You had that in every expansion....

[Deleted]

I can say the same about WoD, as a newly dinged 100 you work your apexis dailies, while working your legendary ring, then there are mythics with a chance to get 725 ilvl gear, CM, raids, garrison and its quests, profession buildings and their quests...
Oh and then there is that whole new Ashran

Sure it's a free world.

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You had that in every expansion....

So you have mythics+ three tiers of raids and pvp. That's loads.

[Dreyen]

It's definitely the better expansion since a long time, but it does have it's drawbacks. Mainly just AP farming requirement tuning, which is coming in 7.2... the burnout is real.

[markos82]

So you have mythics+ three tiers of raids and pvp. That's loads.

You had CM beofre, M+ are ok, but they get boring after you do them 500+ times. If you wanna do >15+ you need steady group. If you mean tiers we only have 1 so far, if you mean 3 different raids sure, uyt why should I with ilvl900 have any reason to go into EN? I mean what reason do i have to go to raid that can be cleared in 60min? And what about PvP? If you played since beginning you should know that PvP was there since the start.

[Deleted]

You had CM beofre, M+ are ok, but they get boring after you do them 500+ times. If you wanna do >15+ you need steady group. If you mean tiers we only have 1 so far, if you mean 3 different raids sure, byt why should I with ilvl900 for to EN? I mean what reason do i have to go to raid that can be cleared in 60min? And what about PvP? If you played since beginning you should know that PvP was there since the start.

CM didn't offer anything progression wise. M+ are a different beast. Not my problem if you do 500+ m+ and get bored. Do less
I meant three difficulties. What's the point of running older raids? Why a chance at another legendary obviously, plus you never know, you might get the odd titanforged.
PvP was there since the start sure. Only now gear is worked out in a different way and yes, people do use pvp to gear up their chars as well.

[Ealyssa]

Always something to do.

Years that it wasn't the case in wow. And that's glorious, no matter how retarded the "I'm forced to play a video game" basement dwellers are pushing.

[markos82]

CM didn't offer anything progression wise. M+ are a different beast. Not my problem if you do 500+ m+ and get bored. Do less
I meant three difficulties. What's the point of running older raids? Why a chance at another legendary obviously, plus you never know, you might get the odd titanforged.
PvP was there since the start sure. Only now gear is worked out in a different way and yes, people do use pvp to gear up their chars as well.

Neither do M+, except hoping to get great Titanforged that is good for you. In last 4 weeks i got 3 items that I could use and one from weekly chance, and thats +900 ilvl which i only use for OS, rest got DE. You had that many in WOd as well, so why mention that? And I mean do you really wanna tell me you are doing every single raid on every difficulty? You cna get legendaryy from HC, normal, Mythic, cache and so on.
You can get gear from WQ, at high ilvl there is no point in doing them unless you wanna DE gear and get few k gold/day. But in the time it would take me to do 5-10 WQ that reward gear i can farm on stack of herbs and make 10k gold.

[Chloral]

I love Legion. My favorite expansion after WotlK!
I love the artifact weapon. Having something to put points in just feels good.
Mythic plus reminds me of Grifts in Diablo III which I love.
I don't mind the legendary system one bit and it's not because I have all the BiS. I only have 1 legendary total.
Demon Hunters are immensely fun. After 11 years playing Warrior I made the switch.
Class halls are a cool unique feature for each class.
Nighthold is wonderful!

[Roujeaux]

Legion's an odd one I can't categorize.

It has some of the best systems WoW has ever had, and equally some of the worst.

That about sums it all up.

[Deleted]

I tried m+ earlier this expansion. To me it was another abomination crying "boost, pay, rmt". Don't think this is what they should do. Skill shouldn't matter in this game at all. Hyperbole.

[Deleted]

Neither do M+, except hoping to get great Titanforged that is good for you. In last 4 weeks i got 3 items that I could use and one from weekly chance, and thats +900 ilvl which i only use for OS, rest got DE. You had that many in WOd as well, so why mention that? And I mean do you really wanna tell me you are doing every single raid on every difficulty? You cna get legendaryy from HC, normal, Mythic, cache and so on.
You can get gear from WQ, at high ilvl there is no point in doing them unless you wanna DE gear and get few k gold/day. But in the time it would take me to do 5-10 WQ that reward gear i can farm on stack of herbs and make 10k gold.

Lol what? Neither do m+? Are you joking? That's great you DE 900+ gear and run 500+ mythics+ and farm 10k in 20 minutes

[Deleted]

I'm honestly mystified.

What was grindy about Cata, where you could run HOT heroics and get 378 gear almost instantly?
What was grindy about WoD?

And how are world quests NOT grindy in Legion?

World quests are grindy? In legion?! Lolwut?

[markos82]

I love Legion. My favorite expansion after WotlK!
I love the artifact weapon. Having something to put points in just feels good.
Mythic plus reminds me of Grifts in Diablo III which I love.
I don't mind the legendary system one bit and it's not because I have all the BiS. I only have 1 legendary total.
Demon Hunters are immensely fun. After 11 years playing Warrior I made the switch.
Class halls are a cool unique feature for each class.
Nighthold is wonderful!

While artifact weapon is great choice relentless AP grind isnt. Abd what will happen when you have 54 in MS and OS and there are still months till 7.2? The way im going it will take me <30days to max out 3rd weapon.
M+ is great concept but doing it and putting effort into it and being only rewarded by AP or some low level item isnt a great concept.
RNG with legendary is worse decision ever because some class/spec specific legendary items are still OP and having 2 bis items gives a huge advantage over someone who doesnt have them.
DH are fun because they are OP and have huge burst dmg, they are same as DK, tehy will be forgotten in a year or 2
Nothing special about class hall, its like a shared garrison.
Not really, but thats my opinion.

[Zaanm4n]

Its really not. The only reason you feel its such a step up is because you probably come from playing WoD. Anyone who played BC/WotLK/MoP ... to a certain limit even cata maybe will not put legion in the top 2 let alone best expansion of WoW.