Sweden on the Brink? – An Interview with Dr. Tino Sanandaji

[Dmitro]

Socialistic people, lefties never stop to wonder me.

How come the same people that believe that societies must follow 1 set of believes ( tolerance, inclusion, gender equality and so on) are also so radically individualistic in their nature.
At the same time they claim that everyone must decide for themselves how to live which gender to be, while shutting down any other views that goes outside of the bubble of accepted opinions. ( punch the naziII!! he voted trump damn!!!)

At least old communists and nazis were honest to themselves and other people about their ideological intolerance.

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quotin' miself

It's funny cause we never see you people bashing tax evasion schemes from the rich that are essentially the same thing (leave the tax burden on middle class) except orders of magnitude more damaging for society

case of france:

estimation of welfare fraud : ~ 1 billion euros

estimation of corporate tax fraud : 23 to 32 billions
estimation of income tax fraud : 15 to 19 billions
estimation of undeclared work : 20 billions
francois fillon's wife sitting at home doing nothing : over 900 000 euros of public money

https://www.atd-quartmonde.fr/n28-le...des-fraudeurs/

[Gref]

@Kurata so make your pick,
1) useless, harmful ghettos
2) integrated but exploited citizens.

I choose 2 anytime. Companies can be regulated. If you choose 1, well you reach number 2 again but in a far longer time.
both ends are shit. but at least with number 2, I think their children will have a better future.

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@Kurata so make your pick,
1) useless, harmful ghettos
2) integrated but exploited citizens.

I choose 2 anytime. Companies can be regulated. If you choose 1, well you reach number 2 again but in a far longer time.
both ends are shit. but at least with number 2, I think their children will have a better future.

how about integrated and not exploited citizens ? dunno why you think that 2 years nonsense is the only option

also you're not forced to answer obviously but i'd like to have your opinion about what i said about welfare deficit vs fraud ratio

[Gref]

@Kurata you are the one who game that conclusion; exploited citizens. I never mentioned anything like that in my post nor it even came to my mind. And after your statement, of course I choose number 2 over 1 anytime. But I see your point is something completely different. It is another internal problem. immigration + integration/freeloading is one problem. What you mention is another; tax fraud.
1 of them doesn't make the other one right. One cannot say its ok people evade tax, fraud all the time, so welfare exploiting is also ok. both are two distinct problems.

2 years by no means is a nonsense. My own life experience. It is more than enough to join the daily and business life of the country you started living.

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@Kurata you are the one who game that conclusion; exploited citizens. I never mentioned anything like that in my post nor it even came to my mind. And after your statement, of course I choose number 2 over 1 anytime. But I see your point is something completely different. It is another internal problem. immigration + integration/freeloading is one problem. What you mention is another; tax fraud.
1 of them doesn't make the other one right. One cannot say its ok people evade tax, fraud all the time, so welfare exploiting is also ok. both are two distinct problems.

2 years by no means is a nonsense. My own life experience. It is more than enough to join the daily and business life of the country you started living.

It is exactly the same thing. Put the tax burden on the middle class -> freeloading
And it's not ok to condone it but it is stupid to spend a disproportionate amount of ressources fighting against the 10 times less damageable issue.
If you steal a TV in someone's house you get 10 years. Fraud 200 000 on income tax = you could be france's next president.

My point is, if we prosecuted the real freeloaders we would get 10 times the costs of welfare programs

Also i know you didn't mention exploiting people, i'm just telling you it would be the consequence of giving additional leverage to employers over immigrant workforce

[Gref]

@Kurata we get 10x amount. Ok I understand but this money again shouldn't be given forever for those freeloading immigrants. Imo that money we generate, should be spent more effectively for 2 years on each individual immigrant.

If my idea is bad ( I am a simple man) then what is your solution for immigrants? Are you fine with them living in ghetto and leeching welfare forever?

[Zython]

Are you reading my statement with your ass? 2 years is enough to immigrate and integrate with the community of the new country you go to.

Many of these white nationalists have been here for decades. What's their excuse?

2 years of welfare and support is enough. How can you be happy with people draining your resources?
i bet you either:

1) are one of those leechers
2) love anal fisting yourself so much.

The state exists to serve the people. Not the other way around.

If you are one of these of course you dont see any problem with freeloaders. You can only support forever for only so much. I am not against immigration. I am against ghettos. Not adapting not integrating to the society you live in.

So you're against capitalism.

I welcome legal immigrants who try so hard to achieve something with their new life, proving their worths.

Spoiler alert: The people you're allying with want to exile legal immigrants, too.

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Socialistic people, lefties never stop to wonder me.

How come the same people that believe that societies must follow 1 set of believes ( tolerance, inclusion, gender equality and so on) are also so radically individualistic in their nature.

If the right believes in individualism so much, why do they use "snowflake" as an insult?

At the same time they claim that everyone must decide for themselves how to live which gender to be, while shutting down any other views that goes outside of the bubble of accepted opinions. ( punch the naziII!! he voted trump damn!!!)

Because being trans is a little different than advocating ethnic cleansing.

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@Kurata we get 10x amount. Ok I understand but this money again shouldn't be given forever for those freeloading immigrants. Imo that money we generate, should be spent more effectively for 2 years on each individual immigrant.

If my idea is bad ( I am a simple man) then what is your solution for immigrants? Are you fine with them living in ghetto and leeching welfare forever?

The problem with your reasoning is that you assume immigrants are somehow coming, registering for full welfare benefits, and just livin' the life

That is just not true, even as a full french citizen it took several months for me to file and get approved for france's student housing aid.

The type of welfare you're refering to is 1- not sufficient to live decently (~500 euros in france) 2- not just given like that to anyone that wants it

I don't claim to have the solution to immigration but let's just stop saying immigrants are the root of all evil and causing the system to crumble because that is supported by 0 factual evidence

[Gref]

@Zython I am not allying with anything. Fuck sake you happy with ghettos? i wouldn't be if i was living in Sweden. I am against deporting all the immigrants as well. It is not only two sided. keep them forever on welfare is wrong just like deporting them all.

Why are you immigrating to another country? what is your reason? to have a better life with the society you immigrate to or have your small ghettos and live of on welfare forever? which one?

I will come to wherever country you are living, refuse integrating, keep talking my own language and enjoy full benefits forever without working. I am sure you will take care of me.
@Kurata
I am not claiming or assuming anything. But ghettos are fact. why they exist? why these people did not integrate? what reason? 2 years I say again. there are shit loads of people trying to reach Europe and die on the way. 2 years you couldn't prove your worth. why keep should the state keep you? why i should waste my tax money on you?

you say it is not sufficient to live properly. I am not saying they are living properly. they are living in their ghettos god knows how is a fact. ghettos are bad. we are not talking about some small street displaying some ethnic arts, hosting cafes etc. full fucking garbage ghettos.

I am not talking about only Sweden by the way. What I say is for whole Europe.

People are getting pissed more and more. There are nationalists who are angry, also there are shit loads of other simple people pissed off more and more about the situation in EU.

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quotin' miself

Fraud isent the problem with welfare, the problem is welfare itself.

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Fraud isent the problem with welfare, the problem is welfare itself.

Such a strong one liner.

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As we are in personnal attacks, guess what country, way more than Sweden, define loser ?

That would be a formal partner of Austria, whose rabid ultranationalism led them to lose two world wars. To get back a few districts in Transylvania, they shackled themselves to the Nazis-the pure Aryans supermen using the pure Magyars as meatshields against T-34s

I'm sure that the dude with a rusty WW1 surplus rifle in a foxhole around Stalingrad with a tank rolling over hid head must have thought that having an education that boiled down to ''HATE JEWS, HATE ROMANIANS, HATE RUSSIANS, HATE ITALIANS, HATE POLES, HATE CZECHS, HATE SLOVAKS, HATE SERBS, HATE UKRAINIANS'' was the way forward.

What the hell is this disgusting rant, how the hell did you manage to bring up WW, Stalingrad, T34s and nazis as the second comment in a fucking topic about the sweden GDP?! Are you a romanian neonazi or what the fuck? Are you out of your mind?!

Anyway, reported for nation bashing

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Fraud isent the problem with welfare, the problem is welfare itself.

Wow, so much brain power must have been used to come up with that line

Let me just warn my grandma how not having to pay 20k euros for a hip replacement operation was problematic
Let me also warn my friend that just graduated from med school how having a state grant to feed himself was problematic
While i'm at it let me warn my brother who is receiving unemployment because he was laid off after his company moved to another country that he's problematic

idiot

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how the hell did you manage to bring up WW, Stalingrad, T34s and nazis as the second comment in a fucking topic about the sweden GDP?

quote of the year lol

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They are aware of this report, and they know it will show the same thing. What is also shows is that social inequality is the deciding factor and not heritage. Something the right so happily forgets about.[

No, it isn't.
The report from 2004 does note that even after social factors are accounted for, They are STILL over-represented.

And reports are not crimes either, the statistic that is usually used to show that "immigrants are bad". For example: reports of violent crimes are up, but people reporting being a victim of this is down, as well as the number of people receiving medical care. So either people have suddenly started b*tch slapping eachother en masse (Might be Kent Ekeroth that is trying to pad the stats, that would explain a thing or two), or it's just reports that are up. Remember, 10 people reporting an assault counts as 10 individual reports in the statistics. Combine this with phone cameras and trigger-happy blogs and you got your reports.

The claim was that gun violence had gone up.
And it has, that is an undeniable fact, that's why they answer four other questions instead, They are Lying.

[Hooked]

Trump was right, Sweden hopefully can get a handle on their problem before it gets much more out of hand.

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Why we should watch 30 min long video of some random dude from youtube decribing manipulations of swedish goverment? Is he more credible than swedish goverment?

Yes - I can link you to more people who debunks that pack of lies if you want, but they would be in swedish.

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Yes - I can link you to more people who debunks that pack of lies if you want, but they would be in swedish.

but ? you don't need to speak swedish to join the alt right

just learn basic german

sieg heil, blut und ehre, ...

[Acidz]

Why are all these non-Swedes here so obsessed with Sweden? Twisting anything happening there to further some insidious agenda. Why don't you just keep to your own pathetic country instead of making all kinds of bs assumptions about Sweden.

[Sylvestra]

Let's hope Sweden will serve as an example so that other European countries stop this cultural genocide.