University of Berkeley Removes 20K+ Free Videos to Comply with Insane DOJ ruling

[Eldar45]

Government regulation strikes again.

[zhero]

The ruling is absolutely correct, maybe go read the law and educate yourself before making false statements.

"Closed captioning or video transcriptions are required for:

“Public entities,” i.e., state and local governments, in both internal and external video communication.
“Places of public accommodations,” which is a business in any of the following industries. (Private clubs and religious organizations are exempt.)
Lodging (e.g., hotels)
Food service (e.g., restaurants)
Entertainment (e.g., movie theaters)
Public displays (e.g., museums)
Public venues (e.g., libraries)
Service industry (e.g., doctor’s offices)
Retail (e.g., shops)
Public Transportation (e.g., train stations)
Education (e.g., universities)
Recreation (e.g., stadiums)
Social Services (e.g., day care)
Fitness (e.g., gyms)"

there is a clause in there about undue hardship, if the cost would be excessive, they wouldn't have to do it. also, if i'm understanding the news article correctly, it was just the the DOJ, which doesn't make rulings, as they aren't a court, they're the executive branch, they just enforce laws as defined by the courts.

[Dug]

Retarded to say the least

[Mormolyce]

A bit more context:

The campus will focus on creating new public content in its ongoing effort to improve accessibility of its online content, Koshland said in a March 1 “Campus message on Course Capture video, podcast changes” published by the university’s public affairs office this week.

“Legacy” content, such as “Course Capture” classroom lecture videos and podcasts, which are three to 10 years old and see limited use, will be available only to members of the campus community, Koshland said. Access will be through an authentication process, which also “allows us to better protect instructor intellectual property from ‘pirates’ who have reused content for personal profit without consent,” she added. The campus’ public legacy libraries on YouTube and iTunesU include more than 20,000 publications, she said.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/...-and-podcasts/

So it's only the older videos, which don't meet the quality standards and apparently see "limited use". And students can still see them.

You could argue that's still not ideal, but the blog in the OP is spinning this a bit.

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Its not a business transaction, so no. Really shows how poorly done the ADA was and how much harm it does to the majority.

Harm would have to be scaled against how many people use these older videos though.

[Underverse]

Government regulation strikes again.

Yeah! All regulation sucks! Boo regulations!

[Rudkobing]

Okay, I can see someone feeling bad that their disability doesn't let them partake in the fun, but do they have to ruin it for everyone else?

Its human nature to ruin people's fun.

/absorbed back into the Light.

[munkeyinorbit]

If I could audibly represent how retarded that is, it would be loud enough for deaf people to hear.

What kind of terrible person does it take to have a huge library of free educational resources removed for others just because they can't partake?

Why should they be discriminated against. Accidental or not, it is still discrimination.

[Kellhound]

A bit more context:


http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/...-and-podcasts/

So it's only the older videos, which don't meet the quality standards and apparently see "limited use". And students can still see them.

You could argue that's still not ideal, but the blog in the OP is spinning this a bit.

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Harm would have to be scaled against how many people use these older videos though.

Here is the harm, now the videos are no longer free to the general public. No matter how you want to coach it, the little whiner did far more harm than good because he is no better off and the VAST majority of people who had no issues with the videos are now without access. The ADA went WAY to far and does more harm than good (and for what its worth, I am considered disabled).

[darkwarrior42]

Why should they be discriminated against. Accidental or not, it is still discrimination.

Given the nature of the videos, they were not deliberately discriminated against. There was simply no extraordinary measure taken to ensure that everyone could access and benefit from the videos.

Regardless, the end result is that the deaf students realized they couldn't benefit, so instead of taking any of the other available paths, decided to do what they could to ensure nobody else could benefit either.

[Slicer299]

there is a clause in there about undue hardship, if the cost would be excessive, they wouldn't have to do it. also, if i'm understanding the news article correctly, it was just the the DOJ, which doesn't make rulings, as they aren't a court, they're the executive branch, they just enforce laws as defined by the courts.

Undue Hardships don't apply to universities that raking in tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Undue hardships are for individuals or very small companies who can't actually afford the cost of compliance. Berkley can afford it, they just don't want to. And the DoJ is exactly the entity within the government who would enforce compliance. They informed Berkeley they were in violation of the law and they informed the school they would face prosecution if they didn't comply with the law, which is what the DoJ is supposed to do. If and only if Berkley didn't comply would the DoJ take them to court.

You really need to go learn how the law works. The Department of Justice is the specific department in the federal government that enforces federal laws. Even if it's something like an environmental law, it's the DoJ that prosecutes people. All US Attorneys work for the DoJ, every single member of federal law enforcement, such as the FBI, works for the DoJ.

[Knaar]

Im waiting for blind people to shut down free text lesson now!

[SL1200]

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/...-and-podcasts/


I'll post this in case anyone is interested in more details.

They didn't take the content down over closed captioning.

Computers do that now and it's probably not very expensive.

[Mormolyce]

Here is the harm, now the videos are no longer free to the general public. No matter how you want to coach it, the little whiner did far more harm than good because he is no better off and the VAST majority of people who had no issues with the videos are now without access. The ADA went WAY to far and does more harm than good (and for what its worth, I am considered disabled).

But if hardly anyone who isn't a student is using the old videos, who cares?

[Kellhound]

But if hardly anyone who isn't a student is using the old videos, who cares?

The people that were using them.

[Mormolyce]

The people that were using them.

So hardly anyone?

[Kellhound]

So hardly anyone?

More than cared that they didnt have subtitles.

[Mormolyce]

More than cared that they didnt have subtitles.

Look I'm not saying this is a great move just that it's being spun out of proportion.

[Stormspellz]

This is what happens when government has their hands on everything. Not shocked.

its not government per say, its just one of the many laws that have not grown very well in the tech age. Similar if the founding fathers knew about how deadly and easily accessible of modern day, do you think the 2nd amendment would of been worded the same?

[munkeyinorbit]

Given the nature of the videos, they were not deliberately discriminated against. There was simply no extraordinary measure taken to ensure that everyone could access and benefit from the videos.

Regardless, the end result is that the deaf students realized they couldn't benefit, so instead of taking any of the other available paths, decided to do what they could to ensure nobody else could benefit either.

The other available paths cause undue hardship in comparison to the videos. Why should everyone else get an advantage at the expense of deaf people? The fact that these videos exist to the public freely causes damage to deaf people. Being deaf is a disability too and we should be inclusive with people with disabilities. They are people too.

[Cosmic Janitor]

How much of an entitled cunt do you have to be to file an actual complaint to the DOJ?