House Republicans release ObamaCare replacement bill

[Wyrt]

Not sure if it's been posted or not yet but...

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...bill/1275/text

WORLDS GREATEST HEALTHCARE PLAN OF 2017

That's what they're calling their Obamacare replacement.

Any sense of self awareness within the Republican party has launched itself into deep space, there is none left.

This would all be hilarious if it was in a sitcom and not real life.

Pretty much every developed nation has a better healthcare plan than this. Hell, probably some developing nations have better healthcare than this.

Republicans continuing to prove they don't live anywhere remotely near reality.

[nnelson54]

Medicaid change is going to piss off a TON of stupid Trump supporters.

So did repealing Obamacare in the end, because so many of them were too stupid to realize Obamacare was just a stupid name Republicans gave the Affordable Care Act and they thought their insurance was safe because it was through the ACA.

[xChurch]

It's gonna be funny if they really do ram it through as fast has they're talking about. I feel really bad for everyone who's gonna get fucked over, but maybe that will motivate them to vote in 2018. Will be really hard to justify rushing in a plan that will most likely cost more and cover fewer people, especially after Trump's remarks about everyone getting great coverage. Then again, dodging negative press is the Republicans speciality.

[Mayhem]

Countries don't run without its people, United States included obviously, so it would be very heavily implied that the welfare of the united States is highly dependent on the health and welfare of it's citizens. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

How socialist of you, thinking that a country does need citizens!

/s

[Templar 331]

It's gonna be funny if they really do ram it through as fast has they're talking about. I feel really bad for everyone who's gonna get fucked over, but maybe that will motivate them to vote in 2018. Will be really hard to justify rushing in a plan that will most likely cost more and cover fewer people, especially after Trump's remarks about everyone getting great coverage. Then again, dodging negative press is the Republicans speciality.

Unfortunately the ones who are going to hurt from this bill are likely the ones wanting it to pass as fast as possible. And any "unforseen circumstances" that result will be blamed on the ACA instead. >.>

[Zan15]

Pretty much every developed nation has a better healthcare plan than this. Hell, probably some developing nations have better healthcare than this.

Republicans continuing to prove they don't live anywhere remotely near reality.

well they did just say 2017....i dont remember anything else being pushed yet so it could technically qualify #1 out of 1

[Stormspark]

Countries don't run without its people, United States included obviously, so it would be very heavily implied that the welfare of the united States is highly dependent on the health and welfare of it's citizens. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

But you see, if all the poor people and middle class die, then the rich people will have even more for themselves!

[Orbitus]

Well we have to pass it in order to read what's in it, amirite?

*rimshot

Keep taking that quote out of context. But I expect nothing less from you.

[NYC17]

"away from the fog of the controversy."

There ya go...

[Katchii]

But you see, if all the poor people and middle class die, then the rich people will have even more for themselves!

But without the poor and middle class, the rich wouldn't have a workforce to make them richer and do all the jobs they don't want to do...or vote for them.

[Allerius]

I like how it eliminates the individual and employer mandate. A step in the right direction.

[NYC17]

I like how it eliminates the individual and employer mandate. A step in the right direction.

Towards...?

[minteK917]

Towards...?

The 19th century.

[Gestopft]

I like how it eliminates the individual and employer mandate. A step in the right direction.

It also eliminates the ability to keep premiums down AND cover pre-existing conditions, etc.

They seem to be letting insurance companies make up the difference by gouging old people.

[Allerius]

Towards...?

Maximizing individual freedom. I'm not a fan of people being legally forced to buy things.

It also eliminates the ability to keep premiums down AND cover pre-existing conditions, etc.

They seem to be letting insurance companies make up the difference by gouging old people.

Premiums are expensive because healthcare costs in the US are out of control. Neither this bill (or the previous one), unfortunately, will correct that. It's still a separate issue from who pays for the exaggerated costs though. The old and sick pay more because they use more.

[NYC17]

Maximizing individual freedom. I'm not a fan of people being legally forced to buy things.

So you'll have the "freedom" to pay a 30% penalty to insurance companies. The "freedom" to pay whatever insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals collaborate and dictate you pay. The "freedom" to let a private company dictate what care you receive...

Freedom!

[Allerius]

So you'll have the "freedom" to pay a 30% penalty to insurance companies. The "freedom" to pay whatever insurance companies, doctors, and hospitals collaborate and dictate you pay. The "freedom" to let a private company dictate what care you receive...

Freedom!

Actually, you have the freedom to not engage with any of that. If the services of health and insurance providers are shitty, it's still a different issue then who pays for the crap. I agree that costs in the US are out of control and there needs to be serious work towards fixing that. If US healthcare cost what it does in other countries then insurance would be a hell of a lot cheaper.

[Mafic]

If Trump had his way he would probably force price control on premiums. But even he realizes that this is difficult to do so with how powerful the insurance lobby can be and the hardliners in the Republican Freedom Caucus. So, he is thinking to try to ease the equation for the American consumer on the other end with price controls on drugs and hoping that is enough.

In my opinion that is not going to be enough, because like the weakness of the ACA, this healthcare bill doesn't expand the pool of people buying into and the penalties are sky high for trying to come into the pool.

If you ask me, if a person had to lapse their insurance coverage and wants to buy back in they shouldn't be penalized. A person part of the insurance pool is better than a person that is sitting out of it completely.

In other words, if you want to entice men and women under the age of 40 to buy into health insurance coverage or better tiers of health coverage you need to make it more enticing to the consumer.

Penalties as the ACA has shown chase people away from buying better coverage (eg gold plans). On the flip side, before the ACA people were buying bogus insurance coverage that didn't even cover a doctors visit.

[Orbitus]

Oh really?

"You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

Please tell me how she didn't say it in the context of we have to pass it in order to know it's long-term affects.

So, you can all shit on this current Healthcare bill because you know what future it holds for Americans? Yeah ok.

As NYC already showed, the "away from the fog of the controversy" part you casually missed that make it taken out of context by people like you.

We can shit all over this current healthcare bill because it will make healthcare MORE expensive and cover LESS than what we have now.

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I like how it eliminates the individual and employer mandate. A step in the right direction.

Yeah, but then you pay a 30% rate increase if you ever stop being on insurance. All that will do, is have people leave the insurance pools, again, and drive prices HIGHER than they are now.

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Actually, you have the freedom to not engage with any of that. If the services of health and insurance providers are shitty, it's still a different issue then who pays for the crap. I agree that costs in the US are out of control and there needs to be serious work towards fixing that. If US healthcare cost what it does in other countries then insurance would be a hell of a lot cheaper.

If you want personal freedom, go buy a fucking island in the Pacific somewhere.

[Allerius]

Yeah, but then you pay a 30% rate increase if you ever stop being on insurance. All that will do, is have people leave the insurance pools, again, and drive prices HIGHER than they are now.

The 30% thing does suck, but it's still better than a mandate since you can choose if you want to opt into that.

If you want personal freedom, go buy a fucking island in the Pacific somewhere.

So you think freedom is a bad thing?